clomid, propecia sufferer

[mikey428]

My uro might prescribe me clomid. My blood work came back in range with Total T being low but in range as well as other hormones in range.

Does clomid need to be taken in conjunction with anything? Are there bad side effects and will one's test. production go back to baseline after ceasing administration of clomid??

Thanks,

Mike

[pmgamer18]

I know of 3 men on just Clomid and doing great on it. It has some sides one bad one is eye floaters if you have this you can't take it.
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Clomiphene (Clomid, Serophene, Omifin)

Clomiphene was originally developed to help treat female infertility caused by ovulatory dysfunction. It works in women by binding competitively to estrogen receptors on the hypothalamus and pituitary. This causes an increased secretion of leutinizing hormone-releasing hormone as well as follicle-stimulating hormone-releasing hormone which in turn causes a release of LH and FSH. Did you follow that? These two hormones play key roles in the process of ovulation and maturation of the ovarian follicle, which is necessary to make a baby.

So, what the hell does this have to do with a bodybuilder? I’m sure most of you are already familiar with what I’m about to tell you. That is, clomiphene, which increases LH and FSH in women, can do the same in men. As we all know, LH is responsible for endogenous Testosterone production in men. This is a great thing for guys who’ve just come off a cycle which has shut down or limited the production of their endogenous T.

So, what else is great about this stuff? Well, you should also notice that while it binds to estrogen receptors on the hypothalamus and pituitary, it does the same with breast tissue. When it does, this prevents endogenous estrogen from binding to the alpha receptor sites. The alpha receptors are those found with breast tissue.

What else? Well, it can improve blood lipid profiles to some extent. This is thought to be an inherent property of all anti-estrogens. It’s thought to occur because of clomiphene’s estrogen-like influence on the cardiovascular system, lowering low density lipoproteins in the plasma (1).

Oh, and one more thing. Yes, clomiphene has been shown to increase LH and Testosterone, both total and free in normal and oligospermic men (dudes with low sperm count). But what about in men that have exercise-induced hypogonadism? The answer is that clomiphene can help them as well.

In one study, a 29-year-old male runner had reached a state of hypogonadism from overtraining, something that’s also commonly seen amongst bodybuilders. He received 50 mg of clomiphene daily for five weeks and afterward, reached normal levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone, both free and total. After four months of treatment, improvements were seen in muscle strength, daily morning erections, sense of well being, and energy (2).

I think it can be concluded that clomiphene is very effective at increasing LH and Testosterone levels. It’s good at preventing gynecomastia and can also improve blood lipid profiles.

So what dosages should be used? For the LH/Testosterone boosting effect, a dosage of 50 to100 mg per day. When using it as an anti-estrogen, you should employ larger dosages. Depending on what steroid you’re using and how much, you should use 50 to 300 mg per day during the cycle. It’s been shown that clomiphene is more effective for preventing and treating gynecomastia when higher dosages are used (3).

If you’re getting it the legit way, through your doctor, the price for the brand name Clomid is around nine to ten bucks per tab. The generic version is around four dollars per tab. Of course, a little bird told me that the street price is much lower and that many of the same, uh, business men, who sell steroids will sell clomiphene for around fifty cents to a dollar per tab.

[mikey428]

eye floaters meaning what exactly?

[mikey428]

Also I believe Dr. John doesn't recommend anti-estrogens:

"Of note, using estrogen lowering drugs/supplements to increase testosterone is a huge mistake. They are very bad for Lipid Profile, bone mineral density, brain function, endothelial function, etc. That is what happens when you lower estrogen too far."

Is this correct, or would a small dose of clomid help??

[pmgamer18]

You see things in your Eye that are not there. I can't say like I said I only know a few men doing this for TRT. The rest don't do well on it.
Have you seen this link and forum.
http://www.propeciasideeffects.com/

[mikey428]

Of course, unfortunately. I have propecia induced side effects and am very familiar, unfortunately with propeciahelp.com/forum.

I was wondering if folks on this forum used clomid and had success to combat Finasteride problems??

Thanks.

[pmgamer18]

I have been talking to men with your problem for yrs best you can do is get your self on TRT and get your levels up into the upper 1/3 of your labs range for Total T and keep your Estradiol levels down to about 20 pg/ml and make sure you don't have Adrenal and Thyroid problems and hope for the best.
http://livingnetwork.co.za/hormones/adrenal-fatigue/

Originally Posted by mikey428

Of course, unfortunately. I have propecia induced side effects and am very familiar, unfortunately with propeciahelp.com/forum.

I was wondering if folks on this forum used clomid and had success to combat Finasteride problems??

Thanks.

[chilln]

Originally Posted by mikey428

Of course, unfortunately. I have propecia induced side effects and am very familiar, unfortunately with propeciahelp.com/forum.

I was wondering if folks on this forum used clomid and had success to combat Finasteride problems??

Thanks.

and...

Originally Posted by pmgamer18

I know of 3 men on just Clomid and doing great on it. It has some sides one bad one is eye floaters if you have this you can't take it.
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Clomiphene (Clomid, Serophene, Omifin)

Phil, please do not promote the use of SERMs as a part of long term male hormone modulation therapy, on this board.

Here's what Dr Crisler had to say previously on this issue.

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/show...08&postcount=4

If Dr Crisler's view changes, he'll let us know.

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[mikey428]

If thats the case, what are the best options??? What should I tell my doc?

[JanSz]

Originally Posted by mikey428

If thats the case, what are the best options??? What should I tell my doc?

You had a blood work done.
Post everything that was tested.
Post all other previous tests going back 5 years.
Post it in tabular fashion.
Lab name
Analyte name
value
units
range

describe your complaints
describe history

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Often there is more than one reason, investigative testing may show up problems.

If you are able, do my long list of blood tests first.
Post #44, between blue lines, here:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-...april13-2.html

From results you may find that you need more tests.
Using Propecia affects 5aR, 5aR/5bR may be out of balance as result (or for other reasons).

Between above blood test and 24hr urine tested at RheinLab you may get better assesment of your condition and ideas at correcting them.

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Clomid should not be used as a sole TRT but it may be used during investigative phase.

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