Symptoms of low and high estrogen in men

[ptm82379]

What are the symptoms of both extremes in guys

[ptm82379]

I did the google thing but it didnt turn up much that was useful. I would rather hear it from the guys that experience it anyway.

[ptm82379]

sorry guys i did a search in here earlier but it didnt turn up anything. I found it now this topic has many responses thanks anyway though

[crazycrew]

What are the symptoms of both extremes in guys

When I was extemely high and low It felt to me as I did before starting on TRT. Same symptoms, fatigue, lathargic, no drives of any sort. During the swing between the two, I had lesser degrees of same symptoms except for the short lived "sweet spot".

[LeanGuy]

for me...

high = nipple pain, ED
low = joint pain, ED

[ZonaDave]

unfortunately i think the symptoms are the same when you're too high or too low. some say you get "clicking" and/or "sore" joints when your too low.

this seems to be a tough one for most of us to nail down. i just bought some Liquidex to help fine tune the dose but at this point i have no idea if i'm too high or too low.

i have noticed that my feet and knee joints have been making more noise but there's no soreness at all. if i am too low right now then i have all the same symptoms as being too high.

i just had complete bloodwork done last week so i'll know this monday.

[hardasnails1973]

Ditto!!
What leanguy said.

My nipples or lumps swell then its high e2
low e2 is joint pain and severe constipation from not holding on to sodium, nausea as well.

Low e2 = adex over dose

The fked thing about this is how the hell can people take 1 mgs of adex a day and not have any of these issues..

[hardasnails1973]

Nipples are the key plus bad Body odor this does not occur when low..

Mentally low causes horrible brain fog and migraine
Sensitivity to bright light increases when also low
when low all i want to to is sleep all day feel like adrenals are taking a beating from the increase in thyroid.

[ZonaDave]

i had gyno surgery and i don't notice any nipple sensitivity so i guess i just have to waite for the joint pain.

can you guys describe joint pain? what i mean is, do your joints get sore from sitting too long....etc?

did you notice "clicking" before the soreness started?

[crazycrew]

did you notice "clicking" before the soreness started?
I did have the clicking in my knuckles. It was like they would lock in place half way thru normal motion. No pain just kinka stuck.

[hardasnails1973]

i had gyno surgery and i don't notice any nipple sensitivity so i guess i just have to waite for the joint pain.

can you guys describe joint pain? what i mean is, do your joints get sore from sitting too long....etc?

did you notice "clicking" before the soreness started?

joint pain is very simlar to arthrithic and all the way through the body part.
Nagging aches and pain is not what I am describing but that deep throbbing straight through the joint pain.

High or low e2 i loose ability to dream

[wondering]

understand that many symptoms can have many causes... maybe not nipple issues. Just because you have a symptom doesn't mean you have E2 issues..but perhaps it is a place to look.

[hardasnails1973]

Nipple are my red flag and BO
I am also looking for a link with gut and e2 issues which I may have potentially found.

[00slotiv]

For me too low E2=great erections, difficulty to ejaculate, dull orgasm.

Too high E2=inability to maintain erection, therefore, great difficulty ejaculating, just forget it.

Centered E2=easy erections, able to control ejaculation, stunning orgasm.

Bob

[gman]

For me too low E2=great erections, difficulty to ejaculate, dull orgasm.

Too high E2=inability to maintain erection, therefore, great difficulty ejaculating, just forget it.

Centered E2=easy erections, able to control ejaculation, stunning orgasm.

Bob

Based on this, I believe mine is too low.

[00slotiv]

Based on this, I believe mine is too low.

gman, this is a good time to test it then.

At first I suspected high T or high DHT but only when Anastrozole was cut by 75 % did a normal orgasm come back regardless of T level.

It is just as easy to give up trying to ejaculate with a firm erection as with a weak one after so much time. Something isn't right.

Bob

[gman]

gman, this is a good time to test it then.

At first I suspected high T or high DHT but only when Anastrozole was cut by 75 % did a normal orgasm come back regardless of T level.

It is just as easy to give up trying to ejaculate with a firm erection as with a weak one after so much time. Something isn't right.

Bob

Thanks, Bob. I will be getting the blood drawn Friday morning before my next shot.

I know what you mean about that giving up stuff. If you don't have that problem, it's like "wow, what a great problem to have!" Sucks in real life though.

[ZonaDave]

Nipple are my red flag and BO
I am also looking for a link with gut and e2 issues which I may have potentially found.

interesting, what type of "gut" issues? my stomach has been upset for the last week or so and i suspected it has something to do with E2.

[hardasnails1973]

I can pretty much gurantee that gut issues are e2 linked as well as gut issue are primary cause of adrenal and potentially thyroid issues. The main cause of stress triggering the cascade that effects guts innerterrain. I have alot of case studies I am working on that have strong corrleation between these 2 and over time these will be published once I get enough data.. 4 and 5 are not clincally enough when i have 50 or more that are corrlelated that is more credible. Healing the gut is going to be top on the priority list because people with food allergies, hidden liver inflammation, and methylation issues will not get resolved untill you plug the hole to stop letting the toxins from the gut go out into the blood stream.

[ptm82379]

How does one "plug the hole"
I have some gut issues as well and id love to be able to eat shellfish again

[ZonaDave]

For me too low E2=great erections, difficulty to ejaculate, dull orgasm.

Too high E2=inability to maintain erection, therefore, great difficulty ejaculating, just forget it.

Centered E2=easy erections, able to control ejaculation, stunning orgasm.

Bob

interesting observations. thanks for sharing! i always heard guys saying they had ED when too low or too high.

[ZonaDave]

How does one "plug the hole"
I have some gut issues as well and id love to be able to eat shellfish again

you might want to check out the "Blood Type" plan. when i don't eat the foods on my "avoid" list i feel good but i know right away if i eat one or more "avoid" foods.

i'm B blood type so pretty much all shellfish is an "avoid" for me.

[hardasnails1973]

it goes alot more complex then that..wish it was that easy..

[andy12345]

Okay, how about this?


What would you say about my joint symptoms?

FIrstly I weigh 20.5 stones, have high Blood pressure (home test 145/88)

15 September shows Total test 280. E2 33 (E2 not too reliable in NHS UK apparently. Feelings of depression, apathy, low total test for many years, maybe 15-20 and I am 34 now.

Now

Reference material http://www.handuniversity.com/handschool.asp

I have the "symptoms" of the following

carpal tunnel both hands,
guyon canal syndrome both hands
cubital tunnel syndrome both arms
radial tunnel syndrome both arms.

Yes.............symmetrical fail!!!!!!!

Just like my severe Prostate enlargement, they have been stable for about 6 years................. huhhhhhhhh! weird I think.

Feeling of back stiffness, general stiffness (apart from you-know-where lol)

So, do I even bother to goto my doc and ask if I have something like "ankylosing spondylitis" back related and "something else for symmetrical arm issues"?

OR do you think this is classic LOW test, HIGH E2 or even just High E2?

I read the symptoms of low high E2, but there was no mention of this sort of symmetrical strangness.

It''s :driving: me mad. .......Well, it would if I had the energy to jump up and down about it!!!!


:)

[EIC]

it goes alot more complex then that..wish it was that easy..

HAN, you need to start a thread on the gut issues. Obviously, I am biased. But I do honestly think it is something that can affect a lot of people and you seem to be a specialist.

If you are looking for a gut-E2 connection, try Googling the following: "migrating motor complex" + estrogen. You'll see that the gut has lots of estrogen receptors (you probably already knew this) and that estrogen has an agonistic effect on gut motility. Because E2 enhances the proliferation of serotonin receptors, and because serotonin is THE neurotransmitter for gut motility, I suspect that that is largely the mechanism.

This may add a new dimension to your theories.

[EIC]

low e2 is joint pain and severe constipation from not holding on to sodium, .

Does this mean that adding Florinef may resolve constipation?

[chilln]

OR do you think this is classic LOW test, HIGH E2


yes, and low GH too. Sorry. Probably also low thyroid.

[hardasnails1973]

HAN, you need to start a thread on the gut issues. Obviously, I am biased. But I do honestly think it is something that can affect a lot of people and you seem to be a specialist.

If you are looking for a gut-E2 connection, try Googling the following: "migrating motor complex" + estrogen. You'll see that the gut has lots of estrogen receptors (you probably already knew this) and that estrogen has an agonistic effect on gut motility. Because E2 enhances the proliferation of serotonin receptors, and because serotonin is THE neurotransmitter for gut motility, I suspect that that is largely the mechanism.

This may add a new dimension to your theories.
There are numerous threads of mine on how dybiosis causes alterations in estrogen metabolism. I have few Dr's from LEF looking into this as well because they were intrigued by my conversation with them about the potential for this occuring and the biological ramifications. Even though it may be in theory it may hold a huge impact on how estrodial manipulation will be done in the future. As of now success rate is increasing for people on TRT getting off adex through manipulation of several factors. Again this is still at the early stages of research but clincal the results have been profound. One think I have really started to focus on is the gut as secondary reason why so many people have e2 issues. With using my self as a guinea pig and now being of adex for over 10 years with out any side effects shows huge promise from the future in estrodial managment. If I could come up a way to control estrodial with out AI then that would be like the holy grail of TRT. All I can say is I am itching forward closer to this happening as it has happening. I have strong theory just have not been able to prove it yet, but it sure looks very promising.

[EIC]

There are numerous threads of mine on how dybiosis causes alterations in estrogen metabolism. I have few Dr's from LEF looking into this as well because they were intrigued by my conversation with them about the potential for this occuring and the biological ramifications. Even though it may be in theory it may hold a huge impact on how estrodial manipulation will be done in the future. As of now success rate is increasing for people on TRT getting off adex through manipulation of several factors. Again this is still at the early stages of research but clincal the results have been profound. One think I have really started to focus on is the gut as secondary reason why so many people have e2 issues. With using my self as a guinea pig and now being of adex for over 10 years with out any side effects shows huge promise from the future in estrodial managment. If I could come up a way to control estrodial with out AI then that would be like the holy grail of TRT. All I can say is I am itching forward closer to this happening as it has happening. I have strong theory just have not been able to prove it yet, but it sure looks very promising.

I agree that alterations in gut function can affect E2 (gut function --> E2). We know that from things like calcium d-glucarate which affect E2 metabolism by undoing the effects of pathogenic bacteria.

But your comments led me to believe that E2 can possibly affect gut function (E2 --> gut function). Have you found anything on that, or did I misread your comments?

[Bulldog]

Ditto!!
What leanguy said.

My nipples or lumps swell then its high e2
low e2 is joint pain and severe constipation from not holding on to sodium, nausea as well.

Low e2 = adex over dose

The fked thing about this is how the hell can people take 1 mgs of adex a day and not have any of these issues..

This is exactly what I have noticed. I haven't taken a decent dump in about two weeks now and joints hurt. The osteoarthritis I have in my wrist has never felt this bad either.

[ZonaDave]

this is exactly why i'm trying a low T dose. i hate the yo-yo affect from adex. E2 is either too high or too low and i wonder if it's a cause of trying to maintain high T levels.

[LeanGuy]

With using my self as a guinea pig and now being of adex for over 10 years with out any side effects shows huge promise from the future in estrodial managment.

HAN if you don't mind what are your TT and E2 levels with no adex?

[JanSz]

HAN if you don't mind what are your TT and E2 levels with no adex?

And SHBG, Albumin, CBG

..

[Jaydee]

We know that from things like calcium d-glucarate which affect E2 metabolism by undoing the effects of pathogenic bacteria.



I did not know this. I do know that calcium d-glucarate promotes the liver to detoxify estrogens. Is this the same thing but further down the line?

I thought calcium d-glucarate had a direct effect on the glucronidation pathway of the liver?

I thought it was this enhanced detoxification of the glucronidation pathway in the liver that was responsible for the detoxification of estrogens?

See the link below:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FDN/is_4_7/ai_91155405/

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[Jaydee]

Well there you go, upon giving you that link, it appears I gave you a different one to the one I was originally looking at. That link there says that C-dg effect microflora in the small intestine.

Wow.....you learn somthing new every day.

With the amount of bloat and gut upset you get with high estrogen, I wouldnt be surprised if good gut bacteria are disturbed as a direct result of high estrogen. Im not just talking about bifido and Lacto Acidopholus but all of them like the good ecoli etc that we need.

[simpllyhuge]

yes, and low GH too. Sorry. Probably also low thyroid.

I have low IGF-1 and low estrogen with out any anti-E's or aromatize inhibitors. I also have always had some form of prostatitis since childhood and am now 27 years old, I have dull orgasms, premature ejaculation, super long refractory period and weird non painful but enlarged feeling in the testicles after ejaculation that lasts for days. Despite my low estrogen I still have feminine body fat in the hips and ass and am not lean despite being muscular. Serious Cognitive problems, anxiety, oversleeping etc, low body temp, fatigue, low body temp, TSH 2.3 total lack of morning wood for as long as I can remember. Tightness in urogenital area, and weird feeling in legs upon waking the day after ejaculation.

[legbuh]

Well, a couple days ago I decided to see if .75mg of adex would help or hurt brain fog, just to see where I was at. Feeling ok, good energy, good libido, but disconnected in the head and foggy.

Well, I didn't notice anything, and that night I went out to hang with some friends. The next day (yesterday) was the scariest day of my life. My BP was up in the 140/100 range all day, and I could feel it. I'm sure booze played a part, but this was way different than before. So, I'm planning on dropping adex for a week or so, and dropping my T from 80mg to 60mg E3D. May even lay of HCG for a while as well.

So, I'm still trying to figure it out. I wish it was easy as checking blood sugar for T and E.. then it would be so easy to tweak. going by feel would work if you know where you were at when you felt a certain way.

Before my last bloodtest I was just on T and HCG.. my T levels were low/mid and my E levels were in the 50s. No signs that I could tell either as far as nipples, joints, hot flashes, etc. So I don't know what my body is doing with the T I'm injecting.

The only thing I can truely say I feel is the semorelin. Mainly with very vivid dreams every night (and even in the afternoon when I nap) and my hair and nails are growing pretty fast!