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LowT
04-26-2009, 01:07 AM
I was wondering how long it was before most of you felt results from TRT?

I say "felt" because many people mentioning feeling calmer, better, etc. and obviously physical improvements take some time.

Did your mood, sleep, etc. change very quickly or did it take weeks/months?

00slotiv
04-26-2009, 02:25 AM
I was wondering how long it was before most of you felt results from TRT?

I say "felt" because many people mentioning feeling calmer, better, etc. and obviously physical improvements take some time.

Did your mood, sleep, etc. change very quickly or did it take weeks/months?

Your mileage may, no, will vary but for me since TRT and later HGH-

Sleep-worse, as in was waking up 4 or 5 times a night feeling totally refreshed and peaceful each time to now 73 weeks out, 3 times per night. After 1.5 hours no matter what, then after another hour, then another hour before I dream away. Sleep study was fine, remarkably, and that was when I was waking up all the time. No ill effects or daytime sleepiness somehow. Still waiting for HGH to iron that out.

Mood-a month or so with T injections. Gradually has become as good as it needs to be, and better than I was expecting.

Strength-several weeks then gradually more weight, more reps. Stronger than I was in my 20s. I was simply amazed, but I did push myself to the limit each time. So much so that I tore both rotator cuffs eventually. It is true that the ligaments can't keep up like the muscles can, sigh.

Energy and recovery-just a gradual incline.

Just a caution about the T and mood. Initially I did learn that I needed to watch my temper and combativeness, as in at work. I realized that if T was going to be a blessing I had to let it help me and bridle some of my emotions. My boss actually was very helpful and understanding here. It was just a bit of a shock at first since I can erupt if I don't "count to ten" sometimes.

Don't be afraid if you feel more aggressive at first. You are ultimately in control of your responses and the T can be very positive for your mood and ambitions.

Keep in mind a lot has to do with how the T is being administered as far as how often and how much. Too seldom won't do you any good and too much T (not that that is usally given when starting out) can be uncomfortable.

Inspecting your E2 levels will be needed as T will most likely raise it and nullify some benefit of the T.

Adding HCG is often desired to prevent testicular atrophy :ack2: and there are those who can perceive an increase in well being. For me, I know I can feel it in my teeth the next day, but I also know my testicles respond to it.

Although I don't have proof of this, I always suggest embracing the TRT as a blessing helps in recovering your health. Don't feel sorry you need it, rejoice you live in a time it is available.

The benefits to brain, heart, body composition, mood, sex drive, erectile health, recovery time are so splendid I am surprised more men aren't flocking for it.

Not to mention the benefit to home life and relationships when you feel like your old self. Maybe to many it is still not well publicized, I don't know, but I don't have a single regret and feel I started just at the right time.

Should you decide to embark on TRT I wish you the very best. This board is the best place for real world experiences of men who are in it for the right reasons.

Bob

pmgamer18
04-26-2009, 11:25 AM
For one thing your lucky you found out it's low T. 25 yrs. ago I felt like you and it got so bad I could not work. After seeing 3 Dr.'s and doing many labs except testing hormones I was told I have Major Depression.

Because of my being off work on sick leave to keep my sick pay and job I had to go alone with this.

I went through hell on all them drugs they tried everything on the market. One new drug slowed down my voiding and I got a bladder infection and was sent to see a Uro. To make a long story short this Dr. tested my hormones and told me I am not depressed but have low T.

After being on TRT 30 days I was back to work after 5 yrs. of being off on sick leave more then I was at work.

Still they did not get it right I never felt 100% then after reading Dr. John's TRT: A Recipe for Success and getting his help on the forums to get my Dr. to give me HCG. My TT levels doubled on HCG this told us I am Secondary not Primary.

So what ever you do find out why your levels are low before going on TRT.

I am after all these yrs. Hypopituitary and treating my low Cortisol, Thyroid, Ferritin and other hormones that were low normal on labs I started feeling 100%.

I was just to bad my heart went bad and I am now recovering from by pass heart sugary.

First find out why then go on TRT start on gels retest in 2 weeks to be sure it's working. Then do labs every 8 weeks until your levels are up and your feeling better. Then add in some HCG.

LowT
04-26-2009, 01:09 PM
Thanks for the responses. I am definitely hypo-pituitary.

I just started treatment so I know it's going to be a long road ahead to get things working properly. Just curious about the future.

I feel like hell most days, I'm also extremely underweight. Multiple tests show my T in the low 300s and the highest my free T has ever been is an 11, usually lower into single digits. (the high end of the range for this test is 29.5) I'm 29 years old.

pmgamer18
04-26-2009, 01:29 PM
If your Hypopituitary you need to treat after testing your Cortisol levels and if you find them low. I take Cortef 10mgs at 5am 5mgs at 9am 10 mgs at 1pm and 5 mgs at 6pm. This keeps my levels up and has me feeling normal some times I over do it and need to stress dose adding 5mgs. more every 15 to 30 min.'s until I stop shaking and feel my angry coming back up. I don't need to stress dose much anymore because I know my limits.

Once I got my adrenal levels up I started to treat my Thyroid. I started low and worked my way up on Armour now doing 2 grains in the morning and 1 at noon and dinner. This took me a 14 months doing labs and upping the dose 15 mgs until I felt better.

First treat your adrenals and low Testosterone then if your thyroid is low start treating this always keeping an eye on your E2 levels keeping them in a lower end of the range most do good at 20 pg/ml.

I needed to find out what was low or even low normal treat it and then I felt better. Some of us even have low Iron levels being secondary why I don't know but keep an eye on this also.

You do need a good Dr. for this and I have found DO Dr.'s are better on this and Endo's are not good for this at least the ones I have seen in the last 25 yrs. not one had it right.

LowT
04-26-2009, 02:01 PM
My cortisol levels have been tested with both blood and saliva and they are strange...multiple sets of results showed cortisol as terribly low and then the next one showed me as above the top range. I may end up on Cortef though but my doctor wants to do some more tests.

JanSz
04-26-2009, 04:34 PM
If your Hypopituitary you need to treat after testing your Cortisol levels and if you find them low. I take Cortef 10mgs at 5am 5mgs at 9am 10 mgs at 1pm and 5 mgs at 6pm. This keeps my levels up and has me feeling normal some times I over do it and need to stress dose adding 5mgs. more every 15 to 30 min.'s until I stop shaking and feel my angry coming back up. I don't need to stress dose much anymore because I know my limits.

Once I got my adrenal levels up I started to treat my Thyroid. I started low and worked my way up on Armour now doing 2 grains in the morning and 1 at noon and dinner. This took me a 14 months doing labs and upping the dose 15 mgs until I felt better.

First treat your adrenals and low Testosterone then if your thyroid is low start treating this always keeping an eye on your E2 levels keeping them in a lower end of the range most do good at 20 pg/ml.

I needed to find out what was low or even low normal treat it and then I felt better. Some of us even have low Iron levels being secondary why I don't know but keep an eye on this also.

You do need a good Dr. for this and I have found DO Dr.'s are better on this and Endo's are not good for this at least the ones I have seen in the last 25 yrs. not one had it right.

Phil;
there is lot of posts lately about high RT3 and low TotalT3.
Have you posted your lattest numbers anywhere?
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Krus8r
04-26-2009, 05:51 PM
LowT,
My response varied by the various categories (energy, libido, strength, composition). Additionally, my results are from an overall HRT program not just TRT that began beginning of 2009.

Energy - within 3 days I actually felt like I had more energy. After working all day I still had enough energy for a workout. This was very unusual I thought to myself at the time.

Libido - within 5 days noticeable difference. More sex drive, morning wood, etc. Hadn't experienced that since my 30s (I am almost 47 now)

Strength - significant strength gains after 3 months but steady improvement thoughout that time. In general, I calculate about a 30% strength increase at the end of 3 months and counting.

Body Composition - during the last 3 months I gained 8.8 lbs of muscle and lost 5.5 lbs of fat as measured by hydrostatic bodyfat testing at the beginning and end.

Having said all of this, my belief is that you must first have a good handle on these things (in priority order): 1.) diet, 2.) exercise, 3.) supplementation before expecting any miracles out of an HRT program. My point is, results may vary otherwise.

Best of luck!

LowT
04-27-2009, 11:57 PM
LowT,
My response varied by the various categories (energy, libido, strength, composition). Additionally, my results are from an overall HRT program not just TRT that began beginning of 2009.

Energy - within 3 days I actually felt like I had more energy. After working all day I still had enough energy for a workout. This was very unusual I thought to myself at the time.

Libido - within 5 days noticeable difference. More sex drive, morning wood, etc. Hadn't experienced that since my 30s (I am almost 47 now)

Strength - significant strength gains after 3 months but steady improvement thoughout that time. In general, I calculate about a 30% strength increase at the end of 3 months and counting.

Body Composition - during the last 3 months I gained 8.8 lbs of muscle and lost 5.5 lbs of fat as measured by hydrostatic bodyfat testing at the beginning and end.

Having said all of this, my belief is that you must first have a good handle on these things (in priority order): 1.) diet, 2.) exercise, 3.) supplementation before expecting any miracles out of an HRT program. My point is, results may vary otherwise.

Best of luck!

Thanks for the very informative response!

So based on the above would you say that within a week of initiating treatment that a person should be feeling some results?

I believe I'm actually feeling worse...

Krus8r
04-28-2009, 01:52 AM
The results I felt in that short timeframe was mostly in libido increase. I did seem to have more energy. I certainly would not want to be feeling worse. With so many factors, I can't hazard a guess. I assume you are working with a good TRT Dr?

chilln
04-28-2009, 10:59 AM
I was wondering how long it was before most of you felt results from TRT?

I say "felt" because many people mentioning feeling calmer, better, etc. and obviously physical improvements take some time.

Did your mood, sleep, etc. change very quickly or did it take weeks/months?


Depends on so many things:

1) the skill level of your medical professional adviser

2) the complexity of your hormone imbalance.

3) the availability of hormone supplements (eg: HCG) in your locale

4) your insurance coverage

5) your ability to afford non-reimbursed supplements if they're recommended

###

So when someone gets fast results:

1) the skill level of their medical professional adviser is relatively higher than average

and / or

2) the complexity of their hormone imbalance was low

and / or

3) the availability of hormone supplements (eg: HCG) in their locale was high

and / or

4) their insurance coverage was good

and / or

5) their ability to afford non-reimbursed supplements, if they're recommended, was high.

###

You can pretty much dial-up the speed of your recovery if you compare yourself to the above scale.

gman
04-28-2009, 11:32 AM
I am in week 8 of the new regimen, and I think it's finally kicking in full bore. I am definitely feeling stronger in the gym, my libido is going well. My only complaint is that it still is taking me forever to reach climax during sex, upwards of 30 minutes. Downright grueling.

Getting my blood drawn Friday prior to my next injection, it will be interesting to see what it shows.

pcgizzmo
04-28-2009, 10:43 PM
My only complaint is that it still is taking me forever to reach climax during sex, upwards of 30 minutes. Downright grueling.


And your complaint would be why? Sheezzzz guys on TRT want it all. :biggrin::reddevil:

chilln
04-29-2009, 08:33 AM
My only complaint is that it still is taking me forever to reach climax during sex, upwards of 30 minutes. Downright grueling.


That's usually E2 - either too high or too low.

crazycrew
04-29-2009, 08:53 AM
I am in week 8 of the new regimen, and I think it's finally kicking in full bore. I am definitely feeling stronger in the gym, my libido is going well. My only complaint is that it still is taking me forever to reach climax during sex, upwards of 30 minutes. Downright grueling.

Getting my blood drawn Friday prior to my next injection, it will be interesting to see what it shows.
Sort of surprised to hear that its taken that long gman. Within a couple of weeks I was feeling great.

Bob45
04-29-2009, 09:25 AM
It took several monoths for me. I am a hyper metabolizer with T. It took a long time little by little to get it up there and right. Wish I was a food hyper metabolizer.

gman
04-29-2009, 10:53 AM
And your complaint would be why? Sheezzzz guys on TRT want it all. :biggrin::reddevil:

Haha, if I were a 10 incher I could be in movies.


That's usually E2 - either too high or too low.

We will know in the next few days. Blood draw on Friday!


Sort of surprised to hear that its taken that long gman. Within a couple of weeks I was feeling great.

CC, I never really felt horrible, so it probably took longer to feel positive effects.

may19th2001
04-30-2009, 02:10 AM
Feeling calmer and less anxiety did not take very long to take effect.

Feeling better comes in the overall health and feeling better it takes time to work especially if you suffered from hormone deplition for very long.

Sleep and moods quickly improved.

As far as physicial improvements I have noticed that does take longer and will take extra time just depending on how long you have had low hormones and how it effects you.

Everything should improve back to as normal as possible in time, you have to be patient sometimes trying to get your body back to where it was.

As we all should know everyone is not the same or do we all have the same problems or does it stem from the same thing.

The individual situation should be looked at and not so much compared to everyone elses results but your results on how you feel as a person.

My personal opinion no medical advise intended.





I was wondering how long it was before most of you felt results from TRT?

I say "felt" because many people mentioning feeling calmer, better, etc. and obviously physical improvements take some time.

Did your mood, sleep, etc. change very quickly or did it take weeks/months?