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Dr. John Crisler
04-23-2009, 02:59 PM
I'll be going on in a couple hours to perform my "Un-GHRT" lecture. If anyone wants to see it, we can post it here.

The lecture includes some new stuff. ANEWRx is sponsoring me.

Yesterday I gave my "TRT: A Recipe for Success" talk for my good friend Dr. Mark Gordon in his own pre-conference track. Otherwise he would have been on stage 8 hours that day. We had a pretty good time.

In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.

hardasnails1973
04-23-2009, 03:20 PM
THAT WOULD BE FREAKEN AWESOME..AND A NO BRAINER..

How can we see it live streaming. You can go on youtube after it is video taped.

00slotiv
04-23-2009, 03:30 PM
I'll be going on in a couple hours to perform my "Un-GHRT" lecture. If anyone wants to see it, we can post it here.

The lecture includes some new stuff. ANEWRx is sponsoring me.

Yesterday I gave my "TRT: A Recipe for Success" talk for my good friend Dr. Mark Gordon in his own pre-conference track. Otherwise he would have been on stage 8 hours that day. We had a pretty good time.

In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.

I will have to remember to ask you about this when I see you shortly, so I can prepare my bomb shelter ahead of time.

Bob

JanSz
04-23-2009, 03:35 PM
I'll be going on in a couple hours to perform my "Un-GHRT" lecture. If anyone wants to see it, we can post it here.

The lecture includes some new stuff. ANEWRx is sponsoring me.

Yesterday I gave my "TRT: A Recipe for Success" talk for my good friend Dr. Mark Gordon in his own pre-conference track. Otherwise he would have been on stage 8 hours that day. We had a pretty good time.

In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.


Indeed it feels like industry needs little shake up from time to time.

Please post link so we can get familiar with your lectures.

.

hardasnails1973
04-23-2009, 03:40 PM
Yes Dr J is always full of surprises..My gut instincts tell me that hes got something he has been working on that is in its final stages. MMMMM wonder Could it be something that he was doing while he was on his trip to the mountains about a year ago?

What has been a curse has turned into a blessing ...

joe143
04-23-2009, 03:41 PM
I'll be going on in a couple hours to perform my "Un-GHRT" lecture. If anyone wants to see it, we can post it here.

The lecture includes some new stuff. ANEWRx is sponsoring me.

Yesterday I gave my "TRT: A Recipe for Success" talk for my good friend Dr. Mark Gordon in his own pre-conference track. Otherwise he would have been on stage 8 hours that day. We had a pretty good time.

In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.

I'd love to listen to the lecture.:thumbup1:

crazycrew
04-23-2009, 03:41 PM
In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.
Go ahead and let us in on it. We can keep a secret.:cool:

Bulldog
04-23-2009, 04:21 PM
I'll be going on in a couple hours to perform my "Un-GHRT" lecture. If anyone wants to see it, we can post it here.

That would be great!


The lecture includes some new stuff. ANEWRx is sponsoring me.

Yesterday I gave my "TRT: A Recipe for Success" talk for my good friend Dr. Mark Gordon in his own pre-conference track. Otherwise he would have been on stage 8 hours that day. We had a pretty good time.

In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.

I can hardly wait! Can you give us a hint on what it is?

Bill-NJ
04-23-2009, 04:23 PM
That would be great!
I can hardly wait! Can you give us a hint on what it is?

You can see on the worlhealthnet website all the speakers and topics I saw the subject and will let Dr J tell all or just go look but I too would like to hear or see it

rick055
04-23-2009, 05:02 PM
Without question I'd love to see the lecture.

Can you give us an idea of what the bomb is? Is it related to the actual of practice/protocol of TRT? Results from labs you've amassed? You've designed your own ultrasensitive estradiol machine???

chilln
04-23-2009, 10:36 PM
In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.


Babies ?

Un-GHRT success ?

Opening a clinic in Canada for our Canadian friends where most of the existing medical professional advsiers seem to hide under tables when they hear the word "testosterone" ?

We should run a book on the outcome.

hardasnails1973
04-23-2009, 11:42 PM
Without question I'd love to see the lecture.

Can you give us an idea of what the bomb is? Is it related to the actual of practice/protocol of TRT? Results from labs you've amassed? You've designed your own ultrasensitive estradiol machine???

How about the instant ED cure creame ?:biggrin:
I know he got some good brew hes been working on his secret labratory :ack2:

Would that be the bomb..Transdermal caverject

00slotiv
04-24-2009, 12:35 AM
Maybe I shouldn't reveal this, but the bomb that will explode on the HRT community is that Doctor John's hair is not real.

Bob

Wise Guy
04-24-2009, 02:05 AM
Un-GHRT success ?

.

Oh Chilln, are you now a believer now? :biggrin:

Shootist
04-24-2009, 09:33 AM
Maybe I shouldn't reveal this, but the bomb that will explode on the HRT community is that Doctor John's hair is not real.

Bob


The dude does have some hair. :biggrin:

hardasnails1973
04-24-2009, 01:39 PM
I'll be going on in a couple hours to perform my "Un-GHRT" lecture. If anyone wants to see it, we can post it here.

The lecture includes some new stuff. ANEWRx is sponsoring me.

Yesterday I gave my "TRT: A Recipe for Success" talk for my good friend Dr. Mark Gordon in his own pre-conference track. Otherwise he would have been on stage 8 hours that day. We had a pretty good time.

In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.

Getting back to the orginality of the thread
Dr J could you give us a time frame from when that will be occuring
Thank you.

Wise Guy
04-24-2009, 09:19 PM
Getting back to the orginality of the thread
Dr J could you give us a time frame from when that will be occuring
Thank you.

I'm gonna throw a guess out and say the bomb he is dropping is about his overwhelming success of the un-GHRT protocol, and its superiority over conventional GHRT treatments.

hardasnails1973
04-25-2009, 01:04 AM
I'm gonna throw a guess out and say the bomb he is dropping is about his overwhelming success of the un-GHRT protocol, and its superiority over conventional GHRT treatments.

I say its his book that he has been working on ..any other guesses?

mtnbiker101
04-25-2009, 09:55 AM
Can someone shed some non rocket science insight on the un-ghrt vs ghrt protocol.

Thanks

crazycrew
04-25-2009, 10:42 AM
Can someone shed some non rocket science insight on the un-ghrt vs ghrt protocol.

Thanks I think this debate has been brewing for a while. You should be able to use the search option to find it. I am going to look as well.

MarkLA
04-25-2009, 12:07 PM
I'll be going on in a couple hours to perform my "Un-GHRT" lecture. If anyone wants to see it, we can post it here.


Man, that's like asking a football fan if he's going to be watching the Superbowl :thumbup:

Dr. John Crisler
04-25-2009, 05:00 PM
Maybe I shouldn't reveal this, but the bomb that will explode on the HRT community is that Doctor John's hair is not real.

BobYou're on to me.

Dr. John Crisler
04-25-2009, 05:03 PM
Something else cool that just happened is I have agreed to provide training/medical care for a huge string of clinics opening in China later this year. It looks as though I'll be spendign a couple weeks every quarter there.

Dr. John Crisler
04-25-2009, 05:04 PM
Here's your answer:

I have a new product coming out.

Bulldog
04-25-2009, 05:27 PM
Something else cool that just happened is I have agreed to provide training/medical care for a huge string of clinics opening in China later this year. It looks as though I'll be spendign a couple weeks every quarter there.

That's pretty cool! Although it would be even cooler if it were a huge string of clinics in the USA since no one else here seems to know what they are doing when it comes to male HRT.

crazycrew
04-26-2009, 09:18 AM
Here's your answer:

I have a new product coming out.

The "stuff" you rub into your scalp? Sign me up.:troll: (note my hairy head)

Dr. John Crisler
04-26-2009, 09:20 AM
Babies ?

Un-GHRT success ?

Opening a clinic in Canada for our Canadian friends where most of the existing medical professional advsiers seem to hide under tables when they hear the word "testosterone" ?

We should run a book on the outcome.[[/I]
hope not!

Dr. John Crisler
04-26-2009, 09:22 AM
I say its his book that he has been working on ..any other guesses?Haven't made much progress there.

Dr. John Crisler
04-26-2009, 09:22 AM
The "stuff" you rub into your scalp? Sign me up.:troll: (note my hairy head)Nope.

Dr. John Crisler
04-26-2009, 09:28 AM
Last night I was the guest of Dr. Stephen Sinatra, the finest Cardiologist on the planet, at dinner.

No one has ever impressed me more than Dr. Sinatra.

And he sure can pick wines.

We talked a lot about energy medicine. Rolf and Sylvia Binder were at the table, too, the Ondamed folks. We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.

But this is not the surprise.

joe143
04-26-2009, 12:19 PM
Last night I was the guest of Dr. Stephen Sinatra, the finest Cardiologist on the planet, at dinner.

No one has ever impressed me more than Dr. Sinatra.

And he sure can pick wines.

We talked a lot about energy medicine. Rolf and Sylvia Binder were at the table, too, the Ondamed folks. We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.

But this is not the surprise.

This sounds interesting.

crazycrew
04-26-2009, 12:28 PM
Last night I was the guest of Dr. Stephen Sinatra, the finest Cardiologist on the planet, at dinner.

No one has ever impressed me more than Dr. Sinatra.

And he sure can pick wines.

We talked a lot about energy medicine. Rolf and Sylvia Binder were at the table, too, the Ondamed folks. We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.
But this is not the surprise.

I like this idea :cheers2:

joe143
04-26-2009, 12:30 PM
Last night I was the guest of Dr. Stephen Sinatra, the finest Cardiologist on the planet, at dinner.

No one has ever impressed me more than Dr. Sinatra.

And he sure can pick wines.

We talked a lot about energy medicine. Rolf and Sylvia Binder were at the table, too, the Ondamed folks. We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.

But this is not the surprise.

Would this mean getting Testosterone levels up using only energy medicine?

Wise Guy
04-26-2009, 01:30 PM
Would this mean getting Testosterone levels up using only energy medicine?

When I think of "energy" medicine, I think of something that energizes the mitochondria.

Perhaps if you could boost GH, kickstart the HTPA with a SERM, and get the mitochondria going, hmmmmmm.........

I know CoQ10 and acetyl L carnitine and carnosine all work well to get those mitochondria running again

JanSz
04-26-2009, 03:14 PM
Last night I was the guest of Dr. Stephen Sinatra, the finest Cardiologist on the planet, at dinner.

No one has ever impressed me more than Dr. Sinatra.

And he sure can pick wines.

We talked a lot about energy medicine. Rolf and Sylvia Binder were at the table, too, the Ondamed folks. We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.

But this is not the surprise.
http://www.ondamed.net/events_detail.php?id=82#
Video 1:
ONDAMED a better way to make you better
http://www.ondamed.net/video_abetterway.html

Video 2:
An Overview
http://www.ondamed.net/video_overview.html


Video 3:
ONDAMED ... touching lives
http://www.ondamed.net/video_touching.html



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Stephen T. Sinatra (born 1946) is a board certified cardiologist, nutritionist, and anti-aging specialist specializing in integrative medicine. He has written or contributed to more than a dozen books on cardiovascular health, nutritional supplementation, and nutrition,
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http://www.ondamed.net/rbfc.php

Silvia's son Randy underwent L-transposition and VSD closure with a pacemaker implantation at two years of age. At the age of five, the cardiologists discovered a 1cm large thrombus in his heart. When Randy did not become therapeutic to Coumadin over three months of taking different dosages, he was faced with yet another open-heart surgery. Fortuitously, it was at this point when Silvia had just been trained on the ONDAMED and she decided to start Randy on this therapy after having cardiologists at Westchester Medical Center in New York confirm via Echocardiogram and pacemaker testing equipment, that the pulsed electromagnetic fields emitted from ONDAMED would have no impact on the pacemaker output. In just one week and only three 15-minute treatments, Randy's INR showed that his coagulation was within therapeutic ranges. The combination of Coumadin and ONDAMED helped reduce the thrombus to one-third of its original size, thereby avoiding open heart surgery! Randy has been medication-free since 2003, receives ONDAMED treatments twice per month, and he is developing strong and healthy.

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hardasnails1973
04-26-2009, 05:36 PM
If you are refering to energetic medicine it works by having mimic the frequency of a given hormone or body system. For example if the LH resonates at a frequency of 96 hrz and you are currently vibrating at 89 hrz. Then the practicioner can tweak the the body to return to the proper frequency through altering the current frequency back to the proper frequency. Basically the concept is that every living thing vibrates at given frequency. When that frequency is distorted due to illness or stress it would result in decline of that specific organ or system. By returning the organ to the proper frequency then it will be able to return to normal functioning. The concepts sounds fantastic, but so far no one has been able to accomplish this. I have always been saying energetic medicine is the wave of the future and its starting to be implemented more and more. This is also known as quantum medicine which has been viewed by the medical field as an act of snake oil or a form of charlatins. I have known about this for over 4 years and have been going to "these quacks" that have been using this technology. Just wait another 10 years what I have been preaching about changes in the ionic fields will become a reality.

http://www.energetic-medicine.net/QXCI.html
Actually this machine was accurate for instanteous testosterone and thyroid readings with labratory testing. It also identified energy blocks with in the liver and also the gut which later was verified through labratory testing. I almost bought one.

Mitochondrial and methylation dysfunctions are the 2 big keys in helping people to return optimal health.

medgerton
04-26-2009, 05:44 PM
If you are refering to energetic medicine it works by having mimic the frequency of a given hormone or body system. For example if the LH resonates at a frequency of 96 hrz and you are currently vibrating at 89 hrz. Then the practicioner can tweak the the body to return to the proper frequency through altering the current frequency back to the proper frequency. Basically the concept is that every living thing vibrates at given frequency. When that frequency is distorted due to illness or stress it would result in decline of that specific organ or system. By returning the organ to the proper frequency then it will be able to return to normal functioning. The concepts sounds fantastic, but so far no one has been able to accomplish this. I have always been saying energetic medicine is the wave of the future and its starting to be implemented more and more. This is also known as quantum medicine which has been viewed by the medical field as an act of snake oil or a form of charlatins. Just wait another 10 years what I have been preaching about changes in the ionic fields will become a reality.

I'll keep an open mind. But it is going to take studies and/or substantial results from a good number of cases for me to think that this is a here and now treatment option.

Dr. John Crisler
04-27-2009, 11:49 AM
When I think of "energy" medicine, I think of something that energizes the mitochondria.

Perhaps if you could boost GH, kickstart the HTPA with a SERM, and get the mitochondria going, hmmmmmm.........

I know CoQ10 and acetyl L carnitine and carnosine all work well to get those mitochondria running againMy understanding is it has to do with vibrational qualities of the body and its enemies. I have a LOT to learn about it.

hardasnails1973
04-27-2009, 12:29 PM
My understanding is it has to do with vibrational qualities of the body and its enemies. I have a LOT to learn about it.

One can sum it up as vibrational homeopathy. Why not take care of what is causing the electromagnetic disturbances such as reducing EMF that disrupt the body's natural energy fields and frequences? Energetic medicine is the wave of the future as I have repeated 1,000 time to many people. Healing by touch and unlocking the hidden potential with in our own bodies.

just look at it as modern form of reikki ..Giving back positive energy (chi) to a person with low energy force in a designated area.

Pre example for future of this medicine
If cancer resonates at 100 mega hertz and the person with out cancer resonates at 86 mhz then by recalibrating the body back from the 100 mhz back to the cancer free of 86 then body should be able to reduce the size of the tumor, This can work for gyno as well or any other aliment.

JanSz
04-27-2009, 12:43 PM
One can sum it up as vibrational homeopathy. Why not take care of what is causing the electromagnetic disturbances such as reducing EMF that disrupt the body's natural energy fields and frequences? Energetic medicine is the wave of the future as I have repeated 1,000 time to many people. Healing by touch and unlocking the hidden potential with in our own bodies.

just look at it as modern form of reikki ..Giving back positive energy (chi) to a person with low energy force in a designated area.

Pre example for future of this medicine
If cancer resonates at 100 mega hertz and the person with out cancer resonates at 86 mhz then by recalibrating the body back from the 100 mhz back to the cancer free of 86 then body should be able to reduce the size of the tumor, This can work for gyno as well or any other aliment.

Speaking of cancer;

highly correlated with Type 3 deiodinase (the one that makes RT3).

Do not know which one comes first.

Or just (hopefully) mutually reinforcing.

Breake one the other may go away.
.

Katzenjammer
04-27-2009, 12:51 PM
One can sum it up as vibrational homeopathy. Why not take care of what is causing the electromagnetic disturbances such as reducing EMF that disrupt the body's natural energy fields and frequences?

Any suggestions about what and how to reduce? Is Wifi a problem?

hardasnails1973
04-27-2009, 12:51 PM
Speaking of cancer;

highly correlated with Type 3 deiodinase (the one that makes RT3).

Do not know which one comes first.

Or just (hopefully) mutually reinforcing.

Breake one the other may go away.
.
Going off track a bit people with cholesterol of 160 or lower are more likely to die of cancer then people with higher cholesterol. Why I am so concerned about this as it opens our body up to alot of infections mainly in respiratory and digestion.

Back to orginal topic

hardasnails1973
04-27-2009, 01:06 PM
Any suggestions about what and how to reduce? Is Wifi a problem?

No matter what you can do you will never be able to escape EMF as it is invisible penetrating any material. There are so called devices out there, but they only very little scientific proof behind them in only a few "clinical" Studies done. I am experimenting with one of these products so I will let you know how it really works. The simpliest way to look at things is that the earth spins in counter clock wise fashion majority of our bodys are spinning in the opposite directions. This alteration in one's polarity may cause mitochondrion to slow down as well as alteration in how hemoglobin functions in the body. No matter what blood tests show it does not show functionality of hemoglobin and what is exactly attached to it..I have been studying energetic medicine for the past 5 years and some of the things i came across where mind blowing and even demonstrations i have seen that one would have to think it was some staged show, but it wasn't. My professor is a master of energetic medicine in manual manipulation of one's energy fields and auras. People think that aura are hogwash, but when trained to identify them just by looking at a person can help in finding out that persons emotional status at the time. A few years ago i have personally used machines a few times using the same technology as omadam machine and the results were pretty convincing in helping to identifying energetic blockages. Once these blockages are identified a counter frequency is sent to rebalance the imbalance in a specific area. When dealing with infections that vibrates at certain frequency this can be a huge asset in helping one system heal with a compromised immune system. The technology has been around for a few decades, but has not hit mainstream yet..Eventually it will.

Until the medical community comes to the reality that as technology increases cancer increases linearly something may finally be done.

medgerton
04-27-2009, 01:12 PM
Any suggestions about what and how to reduce? Is Wifi a problem?

OK, so I am going to post something that will label me as a nut case.

I have long thought that man made electromagnetic energy waves have a negative effect on the human body.

The cell phone companies have produced studies that say otherwise but they have a vested interest in the outcome.

If this was shown to be true then life as we know it would be quite different.

Some examples of electromagnetic radiation: television, radio, cell phones, WiFi. All this stuff is buzzing all around us 24/7.

I know it is easy to make a crazy hypothesis like this and I am not the first to do so. Let the heckling begin.

hardasnails1973
04-27-2009, 01:58 PM
OK, so I am going to post something that will label me as a nut case.

I have long thought that man made electromagnetic energy waves have a negative effect on the human body.

The cell phone companies have produced studies that say otherwise but they have a vested interest in the outcome.

If this was shown to be true then life as we know it would be quite different.

Some examples of electromagnetic radiation: television, radio, cell phones, WiFi. All this stuff is buzzing all around us 24/7.

I know it is easy to make a crazy hypothesis like this and I am not the first to do so. Let the heckling begin.

As cell phones increased so did cancer ? You do not think there is a link?

tommytuna
04-27-2009, 02:05 PM
With all due respect. . .there are many factors which have caused increased cancer rates since the invention of the cell phone. . ..

More TV. . less exercise.

More fast food. . .less home cooked meals.

More processed food. . . .less real food.

Increased weight . . .. Increased Diabetes. . . .lowered immune systems. . ..

More High Fructose Corn Syrup . . less real sugar.

Increased Aspartame. . .

The list could go on and on.

I agree WIFI and these things probably are not healthy .. . but we don't know how "unhealthy" they really are.

hardasnails1973
04-27-2009, 02:22 PM
With all due respect. . .there are many factors which have caused increased cancer rates since the invention of the cell phone. . ..

More TV. . less exercise.

More fast food. . .less home cooked meals.

More processed food. . . .less real food.

Increased weight . . .. Increased Diabetes. . . .lowered immune systems. . ..

More High Fructose Corn Syrup . . less real sugar.

Increased Aspartame. . .

The list could go on and on.

I agree WIFI and these things probably are not healthy .. . but we don't know how "unhealthy" they really are.

General our overall lifestyle are the main causes along with enviormental influences

krazy
04-27-2009, 09:59 PM
My understanding is it has to do with vibrational qualities of the body and its enemies. I have a LOT to learn about it.

When I think of "energy" medicine I think of some 80 year old hippy sitting indian style on a rock on some mountain smoking a joint. And an $80 offer for only $19.99 if I call now.

Amirite?

krazy
04-27-2009, 10:08 PM
As cell phones increased so did cancer ? You do not think there is a link?

Correlation doesn't equal causation, man. That's like saying that clearly wearing bras must lead to breast cancer. ;)


Increased Aspartame. . .

The evidence is clearly on the side of safety for normal people at normal exposure rates to aspartame. Its harmless.


Any suggestions about what and how to reduce? Is Wifi a problem?

LOL I just have to laugh at this. Find me one piece of evidence saying wifi causes anything besides an increase in the amount of porn any normal man watches with regularity. You're not going to get cancer from your wireless router.

Drew
04-27-2009, 10:14 PM
:wink:
When I think of "energy" medicine I think of some 80 year old hippy sitting indian style on a rock on some mountain smoking a joint.


What's so wrong with this? :wink:

rick055
04-28-2009, 10:22 AM
We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.



Just picked this part up.

When you say this, do you mean using the Ondamed vibrational thingie to get guys off TRT?

Or your new product will get guys off TRT?

That would be interesting.

hardasnails1973
04-28-2009, 12:19 PM
Find the energy blockages that are causing the low testosterone, Hence same way chinese medicine has been doing for over 5,000 years. Then find the correct frequency to tell the body to start making testosterone again and violia. I went to seminar of GUNNA that uses this same method using homeopathy and they want me to stop TRT and use their homeopathic remedies claiming that they will re resonate the body to properly levels. I declined to be there guinea pig because of the fact what if it did not work. I wanted to see proof that it worked with some one with low T with out TRT first. Still they have not published any study's claiming this. If one thinks this is the first step to the healing that has been used in Sci fi movies as they do a complete scan of the body and they go back over it amazingly the person heals. This technology may be the first step to being able to much longer life. Every time you break you go in for a 4 year check up. You get a complete diagnostic and then you are good to go..

Katzenjammer
04-28-2009, 12:47 PM
I declined to be there guinea pig because of the fact what if it did not work. I wanted to see proof that it worked with some one with low T with out TRT first. .

I haven't gone on TRT yet - before jumping onboard, I've been trying to learn as much as I can, especially about advances just around the corner. I'd be a willing guinea pig for this. How do I sign up? :patriot:

Cajun
04-28-2009, 01:01 PM
Next thing you know someone will be suggesting Oxygen and Aroma Therapy to increase Testosterone levels.

hardasnails1973
04-28-2009, 01:30 PM
You can always eat bull nuts if you want. Trust me I tried everything at one time. Young and dumb. I even ate grow colt which was horse supplement that was suppose to build muscle. After a month of eating rabbit food pellets ground up in protein shake I did put on weight and alot of muscle but could not stand the taste of it any more. There were no steroids in it just a high potency muscle supplement but for horses. OH some of the things I did when I was younger LOL Thats why give me scientific evidence before doing any such things. Even in the gym I stick to the based no crazy voo doo stuff.

Katzenjammer
04-28-2009, 01:35 PM
You can always eat bull nuts if you want. Trust me I tried everything at one time. Young and dumb. I even ate grow colt which was horse supplement that was suppose to build muscle. After a month of eating rabbit food pellets ground up in protein shake I did put on weight and alot of muscle but could not stand the taste of it any more. There were no steroids in it just a high potency muscle supplement but for horses. OH some of the things I did when I was younger LOL Thats why give me scientific evidence before doing any such things. Even in the gym I stick to the based no crazy voo doo stuff.

I guess I was assuming that the "therapy" you described was - if not effective - either completely useless - or completely harmless. Prolly not good assumptions. Heh.

Wise Guy
04-28-2009, 02:39 PM
When I think of "energy" medicine I think of some 80 year old hippy sitting indian style on a rock on some mountain smoking a joint.

Amirite?

Eh, thats a typical saturday afternoon for me :biggrin:

Dr. John Crisler
04-28-2009, 07:21 PM
Would this mean getting Testosterone levels up using only energy medicine?That is the dream. We are talking about restoring glandular function.

Dr. John Crisler
04-28-2009, 07:23 PM
Just picked this part up.

When you say this, do you mean using the Ondamed vibrational thingie to get guys off TRT?
Or your new product will get guys off TRT?

That would be interesting.This.

joe143
04-28-2009, 07:24 PM
That is the dream. We are talking about restoring glandular function.

That would be simply amazing. The dream indeed.

Dr. John Crisler
04-28-2009, 07:28 PM
Next thing you know someone will be suggesting Oxygen and Aroma Therapy to increase Testosterone levels.You are right. I just made that up.

Here's the perfect treatment for chapped lips: rub horse manure on them. It doesn't directly heal, but you sure stop licking them.

crazycrew
04-28-2009, 08:16 PM
Here's the perfect treatment for chapped lips: rub horse manure on them. It doesn't directly heal, but you sure stop licking them.


Now thats a common sense cure.. For years My son chewed his fingernails. I tried to get him to quit by using Jalapeno juice on his fingers but that didn't work. I used to ask him if those were the same hands he wiped his butt with. No good. If only I had thought of horse manure.

Cajun
04-28-2009, 10:16 PM
You are right. I just made that up.

Here's the perfect treatment for chapped lips: rub horse manure on them. It doesn't directly heal, but you sure stop licking them.

You did take the joke quite well.

http://www.dr-kessler.com/speechespublications.php

Very interesting information out there in reference to the ONDAMED. I for one hope that there is something to it > I suffer much more from depression and lack of energy than anything else. I don't mind using gels / pills / shots forever but if there is another method then go for it.:driving:

Dr. John Crisler
04-28-2009, 10:35 PM
Now thats a common sense cure.. For years My son chewed his fingernails. I tried to get him to quit by using Jalapeno juice on his fingers but that didn't work. I used to ask him if those were the same hands he wiped his butt with. No good. If only I had thought of horse manure.
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this"

"So don't do that."

AnotherOldGuy
04-29-2009, 09:34 AM
"Doctor, it hurts when I do this"

"So don't do that."

Funny stuff. For a while, I was going to a GP who had a speciality in "sports medicine". I told him that my shoulders were sore from lifting...his response was , don't lift so much. (he was a runner, not a lifter).

I also did something stupid once, and squatted for 14 days in a row. (trying to proove a point...no, not that I'm an idiot, a different point). Unfortunately ignorant me got blood drawn on nday 15 and he thought I had a heart attack. I told him that i had been tearing up alot of muscle the last 2 weeks.... well, he is no longer getting paid by my insurance.

Another reason why I don't workout with my wife...."Don't lift too much"..."Don't hurt yourself". Geez!

Dr. John Crisler
04-29-2009, 10:06 AM
Funny stuff. For a while, I was going to a GP who had a speciality in "sports medicine". I told him that my shoulders were sore from lifting...his response was , don't lift so much. (he was a runner, not a lifter).

I also did something stupid once, and squatted for 14 days in a row. (trying to proove a point...no, not that I'm an idiot, a different point). Unfortunately ignorant me got blood drawn on nday 15 and he thought I had a heart attack. I told him that i had been tearing up alot of muscle the last 2 weeks.... well, he is no longer getting paid by my insurance.

Another reason why I don't workout with my wife...."Don't lift too much"..."Don't hurt yourself". Geez!
"Save something for later!"

may19th2001
04-30-2009, 02:28 AM
That would be something that would just blow out of the water, that is what we need, it would be nice if it turned out to be sucessful.

This is good news....


That is the dream. We are talking about restoring glandular function.

Dr. John Crisler
04-30-2009, 09:38 AM
That would be something that would just blow out of the water, that is what we need, it would be nice if it turned out to be sucessful.

This is good news....
I have no idea if it will work or not. But we're going to think about it a bit, and maybe try it.

Katzenjammer
04-30-2009, 10:25 AM
I have no idea if it will work or not. But we're going to think about it a bit, and maybe try it.

If it works it would be a quantum leap in medicine generally, no? Somewhat akin to, say, the introduction of penicillin or anaesthesia?

hardasnails1973
04-30-2009, 12:00 PM
How about look at something more plausible?

Increased oxidiative stress causing mitochondrial dysfunction resulting in hidden cellular imbalances effecting the entire cellular funcion. Identifying and reducing this stress will more likely be the wave of helping people get back to normal functioning. In theory the ondam machine this is suppose to do. The machine may help alleviate the stress, but if the stress is coming from biotoxins whether external or from our our inner train then dr is just going to keep going around in circles not treating the cause.

may19th2001
05-01-2009, 12:57 AM
Lets hope.....


I have no idea if it will work or not. But we're going to think about it a bit, and maybe try it.

Katzenjammer
05-01-2009, 09:51 AM
How about look at something more plausible?

Increased oxidiative stress causing mitochondrial dysfunction resulting in hidden cellular imbalances effecting the entire cellular funcion. Identifying and reducing this stress will more likely be the wave of helping people get back to normal functioning. In theory the ondam machine this is suppose to do. The machine may help alleviate the stress, but if the stress is coming from biotoxins whether external or from our our inner train then dr is just going to keep going around in circles not treating the cause.

Yet, endocrine disrupters and external/internal biotoxins are a fact of life, no? Would be a matter of protecting the body from them? Stopping their internal production? Blocking external toxins from entry? Or assisting the body in ridding of them? Etc?

hardasnails1973
05-01-2009, 10:24 AM
Yet, endocrine disrupters and external/internal biotoxins are a fact of life, no? Would be a matter of protecting the body from them? Stopping their internal production? Blocking external toxins from entry? Or assisting the body in ridding of them? Etc?

Currently working on contacting the director of a top university in my area. I spoke to a freind of mine who is heading up cystic fibrosis foundation in my area and presented my theory to him and he was intrigued by it. Since the reseach is currently heading in that direction it just has not been perfected, but I may have found the genetic switch that was simply over looked which starts the cascade.

Bulldog
02-06-2010, 02:44 PM
In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.

Did I miss the explosion?



Last night I was the guest of Dr. Stephen
Sinatra, the finest Cardiologist on the planet, at dinner.

No one has ever impressed me more than Dr. Sinatra.

And he sure can pick wines.

We talked a lot about energy medicine. Rolf and Sylvia Binder were at the table, too, the Ondamed folks. We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.

But this is not the surprise.

Anything new here?

Bulldog
12-28-2010, 05:37 PM
In a couple months I'm going to drop a bomb on the entire industry. Just to let you know.

Did the bomb go off? Did I miss it? :confused1:



I have a new product coming out.

Was this product released? Did I miss it? :confused1:

Bulldog
04-07-2011, 03:03 PM
Last night I was the guest of Dr. Stephen Sinatra, the finest Cardiologist on the planet, at dinner.

No one has ever impressed me more than Dr. Sinatra.

And he sure can pick wines.

We talked a lot about energy medicine. Rolf and Sylvia Binder were at the table, too, the Ondamed folks. We are going to begin studying how to get my guys off their TRT employing the forementioned.

But this is not the surprise.

Anything new to share on this yet?

Dr. John Crisler
04-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Anything new to share on this yet?Never got going on it. Would like to.

I am no longer attending A4M conventions.

Katzenjammer
04-07-2011, 04:29 PM
Never got going on it. Would like to.

I am no longer attending A4M conventions.


Uh, oh..what happened?

Dr. John Crisler
04-07-2011, 07:29 PM
Uh, oh..what happened?They turned down my application for my GHRP-6 lecture--even though it packs the room every time I give it.

Katzenjammer
04-07-2011, 08:18 PM
They turned down my application for my GHRP-6 lecture--even though it packs the room every time I give it.

That's really too bad; I should think they'd want to participate in spreading the word and dialogue on this advance that might help so many people. Just think of what the inventor of the MRI went through for decades; and how many peeps now benefit from the technology.

"You could write the entire history of science in the last 50 years in terms of papers rejected by Science or Nature."

-- Paul Lauterbur

Dr. John Crisler
04-07-2011, 10:01 PM
That's really too bad; I should think they'd want to participate in spreading the word and dialogue on this advance that might help so many people. Just think of what the inventor of the MRI went through for decades; and how many peeps now benefit from the technology.

"You could write the entire history of science in the last 50 years in terms of papers rejected by Science or Nature."

-- Paul LauterburYou'd think.