Hit a blood vessel....inject again?

[Jaydee]

Hi, i hit a blood vessel today (i think)....I usually dont get any blood when i inject but today i got a good tea spoon full. Does this mean that the shot is wasted and should i inject again? I am getting labs done next week and dont want them to innacurate....

[wondering]

did the blood show up in the syringe during aspirating and so you did NOT inject. If so, then repeat and take your dose.

OR

do you mean you bled after pulling the needle out AFTER you injected the Testosterone. In this case do NOT inject again. If the T went in your body, do not take more.


Hi, i hit a blood vessel today (i think)....I usually dont get any blood when i inject but today i got a good tea spoon full. Does this mean that the shot is wasted and should i inject again? I am getting labs done next week and dont want them to innacurate....

[anyman]

Still a bit fuzzy on the whole "aspirating" thing.

[wondering]

after the needle is inserted, you should gently pull back on the plunger a bit to see if the tip of the needle is in a blood vessel.

If blood shoots into the syringe, then you are and should withdraw the needle and start the entire process all over again.

If not, you will be able to pull back just a bit before it becomes harder to pull back. You dont want to pull back too much, but enough to confirm you are in the muscle. Then you can proceed to slowly inject the T.

This should be done EVERY time you inject.



Still a bit fuzzy on the whole "aspirating" thing.

[JanSz]

Still a bit fuzzy on the whole "aspirating" thing.

Anyman, you are hypermetabolizer.
You have already wasted lots of time on experiments.
Do not even try shots unless you decide to do them daily.
At the minimum T & hcg on alternate days.
I doubt that you will be able to stand frequent shots unless you are able/permitted to use tiny needles, there is no need for "aspiration" process there.
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[anyman]

Let's see, here--


Anyman, you are hypermetabolizer.
You have already wasted lots of time on experiments.
Do not even try shots unless you decide to do them daily.

Although I am likely a "hypermetabolizer", then why was T 741? I normally inject T on Sun & Thurs evenings. HCG is Tues & Fri. I have always tested on a Wednesday./B]

At the minimum T & hcg on alternate days.
I doubt that you will be able to stand frequent shots unless you are able/permitted to use tiny needles, there is no need for "aspiration" process there.
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[B]This may be true, but I could swear I saw a sticky by Dr J saying that more frequent than 2x/week is not called for.
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What I do not follow is why I should inject more often if T is up to 741 and E2 now too LOW. It was 4 on the last ultra sensitive test. I am now stopping the arimidex as 4 is a bit too low. Was only on 1/4 tab 2x/week.

[JanSz]

Let's see, here--



What I do not follow is why I should inject more often if T is up to 741 and E2 now too LOW. It was 4 on the last ultra sensitive test. I am now stopping the arimidex as 4 is a bit too low. Was only on 1/4 tab 2x/week.

Good idea to stop Arimidex when E2 is already low.
We have some people here that continue Arimidex while numerous consequtive blood tests show very low or E2<2.
Lets hope that you can run your TRT is such a way that your do not need to use Arimidex at all.
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Pay more attention to BAT.
TotalT is much less important.
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[Jaydee]

I didnt aspirate so i dont know. I suspect i hit a blood vessel because there was an exraordinary amount of blood.

[GottaGetIt]

I didnt aspirate so i dont know. I suspect i hit a blood vessel because there was an exraordinary amount of blood.

A teaspoon....? :huh: I aspirate (I've only injected twice but have understood the importance of aspiration from posts here) and have gotten a little blood because I use big ass needles :ack2: (22 ga 1 1/2) but not in measurable quantities. All that said to say, I hope you never have to see that one again.
I'd second the point that if you injected it all do not inject again until your next scheduled time. Good luck Bro.

[Jaydee]

Bahh...Ive injected them time after time after time with hardly any issues. But when it comes to the last one before my blood test....bang....there it is.

Im just worried about the blood tests being accurate. Ive only had that much blood once before and I assume its because i hit a blood vessel that time too. The last time this happened, i just did the shot again. But I was no where near blood testing time then.

[ZonaDave]

Bahh...Ive injected them time after time after time with hardly any issues. But when it comes to the last one before my blood test....bang....there it is.

Im just worried about the blood tests being accurate. Ive only had that much blood once before and I assume its because i hit a blood vessel that time too. The last time this happened, i just did the shot again. But I was no where near blood testing time then.

where sis you inject? i do glute shots and never have an issue. my legs are pretty lean and vascular so i never shoot in them.

i don't aspirate my glute shots either but i know i should. you only have to pull a little on the plunger to know if you got a vessel or not.

[Jaydee]

^^^ Wouldnt it be a good thing that your thighs are lean? Better injection spot than into ummmm...fat?:sifone:

I go into my outer thigh. Usually its very easy.

[ZonaDave]

^^^ Wouldnt it be a good thing that your thighs are lean? Better injection spot than into ummmm...fat?:sifone:

I go into my outer thigh. Usually its very easy.

lol, ya...i have lean legs but a huge fat ass :thumbup1:

actually, i like the glute area because there is less chance of hitting a vein.

i hear guys say how much the muscle hurts a few days after thigh shots. i've never had a sore glute after a shot.

[Jaydee]

Yea it can hurt a little after a shot a few days later but its minimal....each to their own i guess.

[Jaydee]

OK, I just did the shot again, aspirated and no blood vessel.:thumbup1:

Im pretty sure the other shot would have been a complete waste and would have been out of my system pretty quick.

[ZonaDave]

OK, I just did the shot again, aspirated and no blood vessel.:thumbup1:

Im pretty sure the other shot would have been a complete waste and would have been out of my system pretty quick.

what was the injection site?

[chilln]

Bahh...Ive injected them time after time after time with hardly any issues. But when it comes to the last one before my blood test....bang....there it is.

Im just worried about the blood tests being accurate. Ive only had that much blood once before and I assume its because i hit a blood vessel that time too. The last time this happened, i just did the shot again. But I was no where near blood testing time then.


There are two approaches to serum / urine / saliva testing:

1) Test infrequently, in which case never waste a test when there are suspicious circumstances.

If you follow this methodology then call whoever you need to call, and delay the whole thing until you feel you are stable based on symptoms.

or

2) Test frequently, even if there are suspicious circumstances.

Ie: You will learn faster about what truly constitutes "suspicious circumstances", because your tests will validate when something went wrong.

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There's no hard and fast rule - just choose one methodology, and roll with it.

[Bulldog]

Isn't the point of aspirating an oil based injection because it is dangerous to inject the oil into a vein? I think I would be less concerned about wasting the shot and more concerned about a serious problem arising from the oil in our circulatory system if you actually injected into a vein. There is also the possibility that you passed the needle through a vein but in fact injected into the muscle.....causing the extra bleeding after the injection.

[cpeil2]

Isn't the point of aspirating an oil based injection because it is dangerous to inject the oil into a vein? I think I would be less concerned about wasting the shot and more concerned about a serious problem arising from the oil in our circulatory system if you actually injected into a vein. There is also the possibility that you passed the needle through a vein but in fact injected into the muscle.....causing the extra bleeding after the injection.


It can form an oil embolus and work its way into your heart and lungs. I have read that it is very unpleasant - not sure whether or not it is dangerous.

[JanSz]

A teaspoon....? :huh: I aspirate (I've only injected twice but have understood the importance of aspiration from posts here) and have gotten a little blood because I use big ass needles :ack2: (22 ga 1 1/2) but not in measurable quantities. All that said to say, I hope you never have to see that one again.
I'd second the point that if you injected it all do not inject again until your next scheduled time. Good luck Bro.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/projects/biophysics/technotes/fabric/syringe.htm

22Ga OD=0.028, L=1.5"
31Ga OD=0.009, L=5/16"

Volume of your needle is 46.46 times larger than the needles that I use.

After I do my daily shots for 46 days I incur tissue damage equal to your one shot.

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[Jaydee]

I really dont think it was a vein. From what ive read, if you hit blood, youve hit a blood vessel especially if your injecting into the sites that are recomended. The reason they are recomended is because they are away from large veins.

[Bulldog]

I really dont think it was a vein. From what ive read, if you hit blood, youve hit a blood vessel especially if your injecting into the sites that are recomended. The reason they are recomended is because they are away from large veins.


Sorry, I wasn't really considering the difference between the two when I said "vein".

[4aminsomniac]

Where is the evidence and study to prove one way or the other? To aspirate or not?

[Jaydee]

I AM the evidence.....lol.

Of note, im completely ok with needles and even when i hit a blood vessel its no big deal, but the thought of aspirating....like messing around with the needle while its in there doesnt sit very well.

Also when i aspirate im worried im going to pull the whole plunger right out of the back of the needle. Im given cr#p needles to work with. The plungers are very "sticky".

When aspirating does it usually take a lot of force?

[JanSz]

I AM the evidence.....lol.

Of note, im completely ok with needles and even when i hit a blood vessel its no big deal, but the thought of aspirating....like messing around with the needle while its in there doesnt sit very well.

Also when i aspirate im worried im going to pull the whole plunger right out of the back of the needle. Im given cr#p needles to work with. The plungers are very "sticky".
When aspirating does it usually take a lot of force?

I use BD insulin syringes, smoooooth, sure moves.
But I have to pay for my needles, they are not free.
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[Willje]

When I aspirate,I just pinch between the top of the plunger and the top of the syringe with thumb and forefinger,resulting in pressure in both directions.It's very controlled with no possibility of jerking the needle or levering in around.I usually get a tiny bubble of air in the syringe,don't know if it comes from me or past the stopper somehow.Might be hard to do if you have thinner fingers.

[Jaydee]

Yes, whenever I aspirate, I see tiny bubble as well. Is that a concern?

[Greenie]

I'm going to raise some controversy with this, but.....I've been injecting T for 16 years and never aspirate! Other than a very occasional bruise my shots go as smooth as silk. I think once you tap in the needle, gently, and insert the depth you need, the less you mess around with the syringe the better.

I use a 23g needle...piece of cake. Once the needle is inserted, keep the syringe as steady as possible and do not move it around and lacerate tissue with it. I inject T high up in the glutes and alternate each side per weekly shot.

Aspirate? Who me?

[Willje]

Yes, whenever I aspirate, I see tiny bubble as well. Is that a concern?

Based on what my friends tell me,I reckon it's just hot air.
I've never pulled blood into the syringe when aspirating,but when I pull the needle out I usually get enough blood for a drop to run down my leg while I'm opening a bandaid.I'm very paranoid about following procedure while injecting.In my mind,even the remotest possibility of an embolism is enough to keep me aspiratin'.But that's just me.

[Jaydee]

Now that i think about it, that pariticular needle was a bit blunt. I wonder if that was the reason why the blood was there? Perhaps pushing the blunt needle in a bit harder caused it to bleed?

[Jaydee]

As an afterthought, it also makes me wonder how much of the injection would have ran out of my leg with the blood....?