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brandO
01-27-2009, 11:52 PM
Economic stimulus? Feds want your medical records
Electronic database to include lawsuit, mental health, abortion, sexual details
Posted: January 27, 2009
9:00 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily


A little-discussed provision in President Obama's economic stimulus plan would demand that every American submit to a government program for electronic medical records without a choice to opt out, and it has privacy advocates more than a little alarmed.

Patients might be alarmed, too, privacy advocates said, if they realized information such as documentation on abortions, mental health problems, impotence, being labeled as a non-compliant patient, lawsuits against doctors and sexual problems could be shared electronically with, perhaps, millions of people.

Sue A. Blevins, president of the Institute for Health Freedom, said unless people have the right to decide "if and when" their health information is shared, there is no real privacy.

"President Obama has pledged to advance freedom," she said. "Therefore the freedom to choose not to participate in a national electronic health-records system must be upheld."

Blevins' organization, one of the few raising the alarm at this point, said the stimulus plan would impose an electronic health records system on every person in the U.S. without any provision for seeking patient consent or allowing them not to participate.

"Without those protections, Americans' electronic health records could be shared – without their consent – with over 600,000 covered entities through the forthcoming nationally linked electronic health-records network," Blevins said.

The organization said Americans who care about health privacy should contact members of Congress and the president to let them know about the need for opt-out and consent provisions.

According to the institute, the measure currently includes plans for:
An electronic health record "for each person in the United States by 2014."

A national coordinator to develop a "nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and exchange of information."
The institute said the medical privacy rule established under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 already allows personal health information to be passed along without patient consent for treatment, payment and "oversight." The recipients of such information could be any of the people in the 600,000 organizations in the industry.

"Nobody wants to stop the proper use of good technology," Blevins said, "and for some people privacy is not an issue."

But she said the bottom line is that patients "would end up losing control of his or her personal health information."

"There's a lot at stake with electronically transferring health data and paying claims within the $2.2 trillion healthcare industry," warned the organization, which works on issues of health freedom in the U.S.

Another group, Consumer Watchdog, even suggested today Google is trying to lobby for the "sale of electronic medical records."

The group said, "Reportedly Google is pushing for the provisions so it may sell patient medical information to its advertising clients on the new 'Google Health' database."

Consumer Watchdog said, "Americans will benefit from an integrated system capable of making our medical records available wherever we may need them, but only if the system is properly used.

"The medical technology portion of the economic stimulus bill does not sufficiently protect patient privacy, and recent amendments have made this situation worse. Medical privacy must be strengthened before the measure's final passage," the group said.

WND previously has reported on attempts in Minnesota by state lawmakers to authorize the collection and warehousing of newborns' DNA without parental consent.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty has been successful in stopping the action there so far.

The Citizens' Council on Health Care has worked to publicize the issue in Minnesota. The group raised opposition when the state Department of Health continued to warehouse DNA without parental consent in violation of the genetic privacy and DNA property rights of parents and children.

Twila Brase, president of CCHC, said at the time the problem is that "researchers already are looking for genes related to violence, crime and different behaviors."

In an extensive interview with WND at the time, she said, "In England they decided they should have doctors looking for problem children, and have those children reported, and their DNA taken in case they would become criminals."

In fact, published reports in Britain note that senior police forensics experts believe genetic samples should be studied, because it may be possible to identify potential criminals as young as age 5.

Brase said efforts to study traits and gene factors and classify people would be just the beginning. What could happen through subsequent programs to address such conditions, she wondered.

"Not all research is great," she said.

Classifying of people could lead to "discrimination and prejudice. … People can look at data about you and make assessments ultimately of who you are."

The Heartland Regional Genetics and Newborn Screening is one of the organizations that advocates more screening and research.

The group proclaims in its vision statement a desire to see newborns screened for 200 conditions. It also forecasts "every student … with an individual program for education based on confidential interpretation of their family medical history, their brain imaging, their genetic predictors of best learning methods. …"

Further, every individual should share information about "personal and family health histories" as well as "gene tests for recessive conditions and drug metabolism" with the "other parent of their future children."

For full article: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87322

Sargovar
01-28-2009, 10:39 AM
Scary stuff.. sounds like the makings of police state/control society!
I was probably one of the few Europeans who wasn't cheering when Obama secured his place in the White House. He's just a more charming face on a bicephalic dragon (the dragon being the 2 candidates who've 'made' it that far in the presidential race). I read that he voted yes on the Patriot Acts, and that's where he lost me.
If I were an American I would've voted for Ron Paul, a true man of freedom, but someone like him will never get elected.. the powers that be will make sure of it.

I don't see how this provision would be necessary in any way. Indeed, it goes against Obama's pledge to advance freedom in a disturbing way.

hardasnails1973
01-28-2009, 10:51 AM
Get ready people!! Put on your boots and grab a shovel because we are in for some deep SHnits..He was a charmer, good speaker and BS artist. I think his wife is just there for show. They never are shown kissing or holding hands, or showing any kind of affection like a couple should be. They are suppose to be representation of America's Couple. Take a look at the man's eyes they are hidding something. It will be only a matter of time before the truth will be known.

Investmentbanker
01-28-2009, 10:55 AM
This is scary stuff, I completely agree. I WILL be writing my congressman. I am right there with you on Ron Paul. He is a hero to most here in Texas. He used to come to the Dallas area a lot but now I understand he spends time in Lake Jackson, Texas, where he lives with his wife. There is still a huge billboard down the road from my house that says "Ron Paul for President 2008"


Scary stuff.. sounds like the makings of police state/control society!
I was probably one of the few Europeans who wasn't cheering when Obama secured his place in the White House. He's just a more charming face on a bicephalic dragon (the dragon being the 2 candidates who've 'made' it that far in the presidential race). I read that he voted yes on the Patriot Acts, and that's where he lost me.
If I were an American I would've voted for Ron Paul, a true man of freedom, but someone like him will never get elected.. the powers that be will make sure of it.

I don't see how this provision would be necessary in any way. Indeed, it goes against Obama's pledge to advance freedom in a disturbing way.

JanSz
01-28-2009, 11:55 AM
This is scary stuff, I completely agree. I WILL be writing my congressman. I am right there with you on Ron Paul. He is a hero to most here in Texas. He used to come to the Dallas area a lot but now I understand he spends time in Lake Jackson, Texas, where he lives with his wife. There is still a huge billboard down the road from my house that says "Ron Paul for President 2008"

There was election couple months ago.

Wait 4 years for next election.

Hopefully the country still exist by then.

Investmentbanker
01-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Jan, I am not sure that waiting is the answer. I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM because I do not agree with him or fiscal or social issues. Fiscally, he is going to destroy our economy, just wait and see. People think it cant get worse....HA. I have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars that I was conned into putting into a bank operated retirement plan with all matches in company stock. That stock is worth 10% of what is was when I started heavily contributing back in 2000.

Dont you live in Australia? I was considering moving there until I lost 60% of my retirement!




There was election couple months ago.

Wait 4 years for next election.

Hopefully the country still exist by then.

JanSz
01-28-2009, 12:45 PM
Jan, I am not sure that waiting is the answer. I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM because I do not agree with him or fiscal or social issues. Fiscally, he is going to destroy our economy, just wait and see. People think it cant get worse....HA. I have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars that I was conned into putting into a bank operated retirement plan with all matches in company stock. That stock is worth 10% of what is was when I started heavily contributing back in 2000.

Dont you live in Australia? I was considering moving there until I lost 60% of my retirement!

Remember, over 50% voters voted for him.

They deserve to get what is comming to them.

And what is comming is scary.

I am retired since 1997.
I have lost (only) over 40% of my funds.
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I live Parsippany NJ 07054
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I can see a reason to write to my congressman in 3rd or 4th year of presidency.
He is a president for a week, to early.

Besides, my congressman drinks the same cool aid.
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Investmentbanker
01-28-2009, 12:55 PM
Ah....Jersey. Dont know why I was thinking Australia? I am tired of hearing I am young and have plenty of time to "recover". I dont want to recover, I am trying to get ahead! You are right, those 50%+ are going to get what is coming to them...whether they are ready for it or not.

Ron Paul, though most think he is a quack, was/is right on when it came to the economy, returning to the gold standard etc. Too bad most people didnt truly give him a chance. Romney would not have been bad either considering his vast experience in the private sector.




Remember, over 50% voters voted for him.

They deserve to get what is comming to them.

And what is comming is scary.

I am retired since 1997.
I have lost (only) over 40% of my funds.
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I live Parsippany NJ 07054
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I can see a reason to write to my congressman in 3rd or 4th year of presidency.
He is a president for a week, to early.

Besides my congressman drinks the same cool aid.
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wondering
01-28-2009, 01:29 PM
not taking a stand on Obama, but he didnt invest this... you did.


Jan, I am not sure that waiting is the answer. I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM because I do not agree with him or fiscal or social issues. Fiscally, he is going to destroy our economy, just wait and see. People think it cant get worse....HA. I have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars that I was conned into putting into a bank operated retirement plan with all matches in company stock. That stock is worth 10% of what is was when I started heavily contributing back in 2000.

Dont you live in Australia? I was considering moving there until I lost 60% of my retirement!

brandO
01-28-2009, 01:32 PM
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biceps72
01-28-2009, 02:35 PM
I could have swore this was a mens health board!!

I am a college football junkie; I have seen 2 really good football boards "go down the drain" when politics became a topic of discussion. Friends become enemies and quickly the board becomes polarized. I hope this doesn't happen here. Heck there are dozens and dozens of political boards one can read ranging from far left to far right-- something for everyone actually.

Personally I am going to try and find out more about this topic. My son is a research analyst for a huge Health Maintenance organization and he happens to be almost apolitical; he is just a trained economist studying health care costs.

JanSz
01-28-2009, 03:04 PM
I could have swore this was a mens health board!!

I am a college football junkie; I have seen 2 really good football boards "go down the drain" when politics became a topic of discussion. Friends become enemies and quickly the board becomes polarized. I hope this doesn't happen here. Heck there are dozens and dozens of political boards one can read ranging from far left to far right-- something for everyone actually.

Personally I am going to try and find out more about this topic. My son is a research analyst for a huge Health Maintenance organization and he happens to be almost apolitical; he is just a trained economist studying health care costs.

You are right.
I hope you are still my friend, biceps72.

Time for Wise Guy or Chilln to move this thread to the correct board:

Just for Fun
Off-topic Discussion

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snook
01-28-2009, 03:18 PM
I could have swore this was a mens health board!!


It is, and this topic is entirely appropriate. We just need to be objective and maintain civility. Why would we want to self censor important topics that are health related. We can have discourse like grown ups...hopefully.

Investmentbanker
01-28-2009, 03:34 PM
i know i invested it ahole, investing is what i do for a living. that was not the point, the point was the system is flawed and him trying to "tweak" it is only going to make it worse. there is no way to spend our way out of a recession, companies and the economy as a whole must become leaner and more competitive, more transparent and without unions.

regardless of your opinion, at my age stocks are what i should be invested in. unfortunately, financials have been killed and will continue to be discounted until toxic assets are removed and lending resumes.


not taking a stand on Obama, but he didnt invest this... you did.

Sargovar
01-28-2009, 03:38 PM
This is scary stuff, I completely agree. I WILL be writing my congressman. I am right there with you on Ron Paul. He is a hero to most here in Texas. He used to come to the Dallas area a lot but now I understand he spends time in Lake Jackson, Texas, where he lives with his wife. There is still a huge billboard down the road from my house that says "Ron Paul for President 2008"

It's good to hear that people are still being politically aware & active in America, and willing to carefully consider their options from all angles before taking sides. Big props for taking action and contacting your congressman. :cheers2:
The way I see it, it's not about democrats versus republicans.. it's about becoming aware of the trends and undercurrents that are chipping away at your constitutional rights and bringing America further and further away from its founding principles. This affects everyone, regardless of which side of the political spectum they've come to identify themselves on.
Obama seems to be continuing those trends of gradually deconstructing your civil rights, only in a more subtle way than his predecessor. But it's still the same game when you break it down to brass tacks and look past the smoke & mirrors.

Just my humble European opinion. :001_smile: And indeed, I'd hate to see disagreements pertaining to politics tear apart the unity and camaradery of the forums.. but so far we've all been very civil and gentlemanly, and I expect that level of civility can be sustained. Regardless of creed, political identity or nationality, we're all brothers here, eh? :cheers2:

Investmentbanker
01-28-2009, 04:10 PM
My apologies to all for my last comment. I consider myself a true patriot so when I see and or hear of things that go against the very fiber this country was founded on I can get hot headed...being an Army veteran, serving in Europe for three years out of high school. It changed my whole outlook on life, and I would not be who I am or have 40% of what I accumulated left :angry:, had it not been for that experience.

With that said only health related issued from me going forward. I apologize, windering, frustration coming out. Cheers :cheers2:

wondering
01-28-2009, 08:34 PM
make note of the date on this article...

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/archives/000156.html

Nuclear
01-28-2009, 09:33 PM
I thought that vast sums of the stimulus were for infrastructure. Read where the money is going:

Read The Stimulus Plan (http://readthestimulus.org/)

snook
01-28-2009, 10:03 PM
I thought that vast sums of the stimulus were for infrastructure. Read where the money is going:

Read The Stimulus Plan (http://readthestimulus.org/)

Yeah its a stimulus alright...stimulus for special interests.

Among the funding measures included in the proposal are:
- $25 million for new ATV trails
- $400 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
- $400 million for global warming research
- $335 million for the Centers for Disease Control to combat sexually-transmitted diseases
- $650 million coupons to subsidize TV viewers for digital television conversion.

JanSz
01-29-2009, 12:38 PM
Yeah its a stimulus alright...stimulus for special interests.

Among the funding measures included in the proposal are:
- $25 million for new ATV trails
- $400 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
- $400 million for global warming research
- $335 million for the Centers for Disease Control to combat sexually-transmitted diseases
- $650 million coupons to subsidize TV viewers for digital television conversion.

When depicting pissing on scenes,
does Bible and Koran have equal rights?

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Wise Guy
01-29-2009, 05:01 PM
It is, and this topic is entirely appropriate. We just need to be objective and maintain civility. .

Yea. Just be cool people, it's all good.