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chilln
01-26-2009, 05:36 AM
Hello all.

Here's some good news, recently discovered by Investmentbanker.

Labcorp now have a bioavailable testosterone test, number 143255, and here's the summary:

https://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/sr016000.htm

[[ chilln edit: you now need to put 143255 into the test number field at the above page - labcorp have modified their URLs to be dynamically generated ]]

It uses direct measurement, ie: ammonium sulfate precipitation, and radioassay.

I assume that calcs comparing the components of SHBG and albumin are not used, or else they would be written in the summary.

Quests current test for bioavailable testosterone, number 14966X, uses calcs, from total testosterone, albumin, SHBG, and some sort of empirical adjustment which is the function of the algorithm itself.
Quest claimed they compared their calcs for bioavailable testosterone against ammonium sulfate precipitation, and the results were "adequately" accurate when total testosterone is in the higher ranges.

That means that Quest's test isn't optimum when total testosterone is in the lower ranges.

I have always assumed Quest used calcs because the ammonium sulfate precipitation test must have been more expensive to perform reliably.

Of course we still don't know how accurately Labcorp are measuring the ammonium sulfate precipitates. So Labcorp's test may still be less accurate than Quest's calcs.

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The most important thing is that this will raise the bar on bioavailable testosterone testing, which makes us the winners. If Labcorp's methodology turns out to be accurate, and if Dr Crisler endorses it, then we may be asked to make the switch, or we may be asked to go with either.

Choice is a wonderful thing.

Thanks Labcorp.

Bob45
01-26-2009, 09:29 AM
This is good news since my insurance will pay for Labcorp tests.

JanSz
01-26-2009, 11:08 AM
From recent discussion on this thread:
http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2527
I was under impression that accuracy of BAT may be questionable when SHBG is high.
The cut off between high and normal SHBG levels is at about SHBG~30

Lets hope that Quest and LabCorp have a handle on this concern.

That paper was first published February 22, 2007
so the problem is relatively new.
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In any case, both laboratories have variety of similar tests, it is important to figure out proper way of calling for those test and use long hand scripts when asking for them.

Both laboratories ask doctors to use standard forms.
I make sure that my doctor does not use any forms when ordering my blood tests.

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4aminsomniac
01-26-2009, 12:42 PM
I don't understand? Labcorp has had BAT for a long time.

Here is my last one from October. What am I missing? Did they just change it and make it better?


http://i42.tinypic.com/qz555i.jpg

Investmentbanker
01-26-2009, 12:45 PM
I know for a fact it wasnt available from privatemdlabs until sometime after December 5th. The old test was JUST total and free testosterone. No mention of BAT.




I don't understand? Labcorp has had BAT for a long time.

Here is my last one from October. What am I missing? Did they just change it and make it better?


http://i42.tinypic.com/qz555i.jpg

JanSz
01-26-2009, 04:07 PM
I am struggling with this sentence:

https://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/sr016000.htm
Since SHBG has been found to increase with age, the FWBT level may be a more reliable indicator of testosterone production than total testosterone.
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FWBT-Testosterone, Free and Weakly Bound (BioAvailable)

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When doing TRT we attempt to get desirable FWBT by
inducing testis to produce more (HCG)
or
adding testosterone directly
well also correcting pathways (DHEA, PREG)


There are other voices that would rather correct pathways via detoxification that would also (hopefully) bring back SHBG to proper levels and the T/E system into proper balance automatically/naturally.
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http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMarch2008/quantum0208.htm
At the core of the controversy is whether hormone deficiencies need to be corrected to suppress symptomatology and tame hormone havoc or whether they need to addressed via the core pathways of steroidogenesis and protein-binding in the liver and cell membrane via SHBGs. .........(large article, nice read).............
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mtnbiker101
01-26-2009, 05:47 PM
Does LabCorp have anything similar for ultrasensitive estradiol? I started going to Quest specifically for this and the BAT test. I too am having trouble getting my insurance to cover Quest.

I know LabCorp has a "sensitive" estradiol test. Will this do us any good at all or is ultrasensitive the game in town?

Investmentbanker
01-26-2009, 06:22 PM
Yes, they do. I have gotten it done there a couple of times. It is called the Estradiol Ultrasensative test.



Does LabCorp have anything similar for ultrasensitive estradiol? I started going to Quest specifically for this and the BAT test. I too am having trouble getting my insurance to cover Quest.

I know LabCorp has a "sensitive" estradiol test. Will this do us any good at all or is ultrasensitive the game in town?

mtnbiker101
01-26-2009, 06:29 PM
Does anyone know the test number for Labcorps ultrasensitive test. I was there approximately 2 weeks ago for some other bloodwork unrelated to HRT and was looking over the shoulder of the tech as we both looked for an ultrasensitive test. The only thing we found was sensitive. It did have numbers for males, but it appears those who know much more than me here say that test is useless.

If I had the actual number, it may help out.