Is adex and/or tomoxifen needed to restart HPTA when stopping TRT?

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Is adex and/or tomoxifen needed to restart HPTA when stopping TRT?

I am using test cyp, adex and HCG for TRT. Does the HPTA restart after TRT ceases or is an AI and/or SERM needed? Do these drugs simply accelerate the restart process; would restart of the HPTA occur anyhow just more slowly without them?

[JanSz]

Is adex and/or tomoxifen needed to restart HPTA when stopping TRT?

I am using test cyp, adex and HCG for TRT. Does the HPTA restart after TRT ceases or is an AI and/or SERM needed? Do these drugs simply accelerate the restart process; would restart of the HPTA occur anyhow just more slowly without them?

Restart or PCT (post cycle theraphy) is used by steroid users.
They use two part process, part #1 shoots the testicles down, part #2 (PCT) is supposed to revive testicles back to normal.
When it works, it works only to a point, after that the PCT does not work.
Clomid and Nolva(Tamoxifen) have a bad side effects, they are not theoretical, people complain of vison problems.

Here, on this board, we discuss TRT. This is continous process, there is no cycling. We continously use external testosterone and simultaneously we use HCG to prevent shutdown.
This is supposed to work forever.
I have even seen voices recomending this (the continous HCG) also for steroid users.
I also seen opinion that while on TRT (T+hcg) some people see their testicles to wear out anyhow after 3+ years on this type of TRT.

So, if one plan on stopping TRT he have few options, non of them should include Clomid or Nolva.

If he was on TRT=(T+hcg), just stop both

If he was on TRT=T may take more time, assuming that testis would come back at all.
In any case, first add HCG to make (T+hcg), hold like this for few months to allow (eventual) come back of testis, then stop (T & hcg).
Then see where that ended.

I have to see one succesfull PCT when it starts with difficulties (using Clomid, Nolva or HCG)
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[QUOTE=JanSz;30941]Restart or PCT (post cycle theraphy) is used by steroid users.
They use two part process, part #1 shoots the testicles down, part #2 (PCT) is supposed to revive testicles back to normal.
When it works, it works only to a point, after that the PCT does not work.
Clomid and Nolva(Tamoxifen) have a bad side effects, they are not theoretical, people complain of vison problems.

Here, on this board, we discuss TRT. This is continous process, there is no cycling. We continously use external testosterone and simultaneously we use HCG to prevent shutdown.
This is supposed to work forever.
I have even seen voices recomending this (the continous HCG) also for steroid users.
I also seen opinion that while on TRT (T+hcg) some people see their testicles to wear out anyhow after 3+ years on this type of TRT.

So, if one plan on stopping TRT he have few options, non of them should include Clomid or Nolva.

If he was on TRT=(T+hcg), just stop both

If he was on TRT=T may take more time, assuming that testis would come back at all.
In any case, first add HCG to make (T+hcg), hold like this for few months to allow (eventual) come back of testis, then stop (T & hcg).
Then see where that ended.

I have to see one succesfull PCT when it starts with difficulties (using Clomid, Nolva or HCG)[quote]


Therefore, if I decide to stop trt without tomoxifen or adex, then my HPTA would restart by itself?

[JanSz]

Restart or PCT (post cycle theraphy) is used by steroid users.
They use two part process, part #1 shoots the testicles down, part #2 (PCT) is supposed to revive testicles back to normal.
When it works, it works only to a point, after that the PCT does not work.
Clomid and Nolva(Tamoxifen) have a bad side effects, they are not theoretical, people complain of vison problems.

Here, on this board, we discuss TRT. This is continous process, there is no cycling. We continously use external testosterone and simultaneously we use HCG to prevent shutdown.
This is supposed to work forever.
I have even seen voices recomending this (the continous HCG) also for steroid users.
I also seen opinion that while on TRT (T+hcg) some people see their testicles to wear out anyhow after 3+ years on this type of TRT.

So, if one plan on stopping TRT he have few options, non of them should include Clomid or Nolva.

If he was on TRT=(T+hcg), just stop both

If he was on TRT=T may take more time, assuming that testis would come back at all.In any case, first add HCG to make (T+hcg), hold like this for few months to allow (eventual) come back of testis, then stop (T & hcg).
Then see where that ended.

I have to see one succesfull PCT when it starts with difficulties (using Clomid, Nolva or HCG)


Therefore, if I decide to stop trt without tomoxifen or adex, then my HPTA would restart by itself?

Reread my post, blue text.

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Is there a point where the HPTA has been suppressed for such a long time, by trt (test cyp plus HCG), that it can never again produce testosterone on its own? I ask because there may be a time where I would like/need to go off trt and I would want to make sure that I can utilize my natural testosterone production- as minimal as it is. With that potentiality in mind, is it wise to temporarily go off trt to allow the HPTA to revitilize? If so, how often and for how long?

[Scottster]

Are you thinking about fertility? If so, you can get LH and FSH analogs to help; hCG is an LH analog. There's always the chance that your body will become suppressed, and have low T levels even when off TRT.

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Are you thinking about fertility? If so, you can get LH and FSH analogs to help; hCG is an LH analog. There's always the chance that your body will become suppressed, and have low T levels even when off TRT.

No, I just want to be able to use my own tesototerone production (even though it is low), if I need to stop trt one day.