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hardasnails1973
03-17-2010, 10:12 AM
For those that what suggestion for the gut go ahead and fire away..
HAN, thanks for starting this thread. It will be a huge hit, I'm sure.
What are your thoughts on food allergies and/or sensitivities, HAN? The second you mention gut issues to a lot of alternative practitioners, they want to have you do a but of tests for sensitivities/allergies, go on rotation/elimination diets, etc. I'm curious whether you think this concept has merit or is just a red herring.
chipdouglas
03-17-2010, 12:25 PM
HAN, thanks for starting this thread. It will be a huge hit, I'm sure.
What are your thoughts on food allergies and/or sensitivities, HAN? The second you mention gut issues to a lot of alternative practitioners, they want to have you do a but of tests for sensitivities/allergies, go on rotation/elimination diets, etc. I'm curious whether you think this concept has merit or is just a red herring.
Or colonic enemas, which to me sound like downright BS.
However it seems many claim that death starts in the gut for a reason. This should be an interesting thread.
Dex09
03-17-2010, 12:32 PM
Hey Hans ... I started taking Glutamine 8grams x3 aday but noticed I have
slept in more 10hrs a day plus taking 2/3 hour naps a day.Ive been on it for 2 weeks and this started couple days after taking glutamine.
I took it to heal the gut but I feel tired all the time and feel heavy and cardio has been terible. I record my cardio times i try to beat each time but im doing half of what I was doing ... my question is why does Glutamine cause these effects?
Ive had a urine multi vit n mineral test done and Glutamine was at the bottom range.
chipdouglas
03-17-2010, 01:10 PM
Hey Hans ... I started taking Glutamine 8grams x3 aday but noticed I have
slept in more 10hrs a day plus taking 2/3 hour naps a day.Ive been on it for 2 weeks and this started couple days after taking glutamine.
I took it to heal the gut but I feel tired all the time and feel heavy and cardio has been terible. I record my cardio times i try to beat each time but im doing half of what I was doing ... my question is why does Glutamine cause these effects?
Ive had a urine multi vit n mineral test done and Glutamine was at the bottom range.
Doesn't glutamine increase amonia ? Amonia can cause increased sleepiness.
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/041501.htm
Glutamine is used in the liver & kidney to make urea & ammonia which are normal breakdown products of protein, which are then excreted. Glutamine participates in the detoxification of the ammonia.
Excessive Glutamine can elevate rather than decrease ammonia levels, as it should do. Such excessive dose would be in the range of 40,000 mg for a 150 pound person-way above any recommended amount.
Dex09
03-17-2010, 01:27 PM
Doesn't glutamine increase amonia ? Amonia can cause increased sleepiness.
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/041501.htm
Glutamine is used in the liver & kidney to make urea & ammonia which are normal breakdown products of protein, which are then excreted. Glutamine participates in the detoxification of the ammonia.
Excessive Glutamine can elevate rather than decrease ammonia levels, as it should do. Such excessive dose would be in the range of 40,000 mg for a 150 pound person-way above any recommended amount.
Thank you very much for this! Im 195 not 150 so gonna decrease to 4grams before bedtime as im getting all these symptoms that it says it should help with :
For this reason it is helpful with focus, concentration, memory, intellectual performance, alertness, attentiveness, improving mood, & eliminating brain fog & cloudiness.
Main symptoms are brain fog, alertness, focus and drained, sleepy, sweating etc
Dex09
03-17-2010, 01:38 PM
Would it mean that if taking some glutamine causes sleepiness means high ammonia already present ?
Does anyone know how to lower ammonia levels?
hardasnails1973
03-17-2010, 02:31 PM
HAN, thanks for starting this thread. It will be a huge hit, I'm sure.
What are your thoughts on food allergies and/or sensitivities, HAN? The second you mention gut issues to a lot of alternative practitioners, they want to have you do a but of tests for sensitivities/allergies, go on rotation/elimination diets, etc. I'm curious whether you think this concept has merit or is just a red herring.
We are finding that alot of people in just simple basic food allergie testing are coming up positive for several different ones. Gluten sensitivity is on the rise because wheat has 80% more gluten then it did 50 years ago which was only 15%. We use enterolabs to identify these gluten imbalances and have been very successful and happy with the results.
hardasnails1973
03-17-2010, 02:34 PM
Or colonic enemas, which to me sound like downright BS.
However it seems many claim that death starts in the gut for a reason. This should be an interesting thread.
Having colonics done once every 6 months will not cause any health issue, but people having them done consecuitly over time may cause self reliance on them and become habit forming.
A good detoxificaiton diet of low protein, fruits and veggies for a week once or twice a year will do wonders plus adding trace mineral drops untill you get 2-3 good foul bowel movements a day is also essential for proper detoxifcation.
hardasnails1973
03-17-2010, 02:39 PM
Hey Hans ... I started taking Glutamine 8grams x3 aday but noticed I have
slept in more 10hrs a day plus taking 2/3 hour naps a day.Ive been on it for 2 weeks and this started couple days after taking glutamine.
I took it to heal the gut but I feel tired all the time and feel heavy and cardio has been terible. I record my cardio times i try to beat each time but im doing half of what I was doing ... my question is why does Glutamine cause these effects?
Ive had a urine multi vit n mineral test done and Glutamine was at the bottom range.
Some people chemical predispotion to coverting glutamine to glutamate at a higher rate. P5P is responsble to help convert glutamate into AKG which then can be used as cellular fuel. When recommending high dosage of glutamine I always suggest people to go slow add 5 grams a day then measure the response. Glutamine can also stir up detoxifaction pathways as well as it is necessary to make gluthione. It also can detoxify ammonia as well. What you preserve as a toxcity may be detoxifcation reaction. It can also help with hypoglycemia as well. People that are on cortef or workout I highly recommend it as stress can deplete glutamine storage. In a clincal setting I look at glutamin/glutamate ratio to determine in more glutamine is needed or to give factors that prevent high glutamate build up.
hardasnails1973
03-17-2010, 02:41 PM
Would it mean that if taking some glutamine causes sleepiness means high ammonia already present ?
Does anyone know how to lower ammonia levels?
High ammonia levels can be from bacterial infections or also malabsorption of protein break down, or your in a highly catabolic state such as sarcopenia
Dex09
03-17-2010, 06:21 PM
awesome Thanks for your reply Hans ... you may be right as I didnt get these reactions from 8grams a day its only when i decided to increase to 24 in one go which these symptoms do feel like detoxification symptoms ... hmm i go back to 4grams a day x2 and slowly increase and see what happens .. I have been working our hard since age 13 sometimes everyday and never took Glutamine ever ... plus also on cortef ... how much p5p would you recommend Hans ...?
hardasnails1973
03-17-2010, 06:31 PM
start out with 50 mgs before bed and increase 25 mgs till you get dream recall
then stop. if dream recall then you are at a proper amouint
Lucky1
03-17-2010, 08:07 PM
High ammonia levels can be from bacterial infections or also malabsorption of protein break down, or your in a highly catabolic state such as sarcopenia
What if when you workout hard on the treadmill, and your sweat smells like ammonia? What is causing that, high ammonia levels?
For my type 2 diabetes, I have to be on a low carb, high protein diet, to keep my sugars in control.
Dex09
03-17-2010, 08:50 PM
start out with 50 mgs before bed and increase 25 mgs till you get dream recall
then stop. if dream recall then you are at a proper amouint
Thanks for this .. interestingly Ive been on this amount for a couple of yrs now .. gonna increase to 100mg to help with the glutamine conversion .. norecall from dreams either.
Is their any other supplements that help heal the gut the way Glutamine does .. I do get alot of leaky gut problems and would like to correct this .. currently taking Probiotics, HCL betaine, fibre tabs ..
Dex09
03-17-2010, 08:52 PM
What if when you workout hard on the treadmill, and your sweat smells like ammonia? What is causing that, high ammonia levels?
For my type 2 diabetes, I have to be on a low carb, high protein diet, to keep my sugars in control.
Yep i als get this sometimes but dont have diabetes .. also usually when I get this ammonia sweat next morning I wake up with bitter dry and terrible breath .. taking cycle support supplement stoped this previously but not anymore since on TRT 150mg a week in 2 injections IM ...
hardasnails1973
03-17-2010, 09:18 PM
I had the smell as well after heavy cardio in the morning on empty stomach before contest prep. I could get high off my shirt very easy. Means u r breaking down protein at rapid rate and going catabolic adding more carbs and glutamine reduced this plus if ur taking a stimulant it will accelerate protei. Break down especially on empty or calorie deficit diet
Lucky1
03-17-2010, 10:58 PM
I had the smell as well after heavy cardio in the morning on empty stomach before contest prep. I could get high off my shirt very easy. Means u r breaking down protein at rapid rate and going catabolic adding more carbs and glutamine reduced this plus if ur taking a stimulant it will accelerate protei. Break down especially on empty or calorie deficit diet
That sucks....I what to lose weight, but keep my muscle. I guess there is a fine line. What if I had a protein shake, 1 to 2 hrs. before I workout? The one I use has 25 grams of protein, per scope, and 3 grams of carbs.....
legbuh
03-18-2010, 12:19 AM
start out with 50 mgs before bed and increase 25 mgs till you get dream recall
then stop. if dream recall then you are at a proper amouint
Ok, HAN.. explain this. There are tons of factors which first of all affect REM and dreaming, and dream recall is a whole other level. This is coming from an avid LDer for over 20 years.
Is their any other supplements that help heal the gut the way Glutamine does .. I do get alot of leaky gut problems and would like to correct this .. currently taking Probiotics, HCL betaine, fibre tabs ..
Not HAN, but zinc carnosine is very effective at reversing gut permeability. Google it.
chipdouglas
03-18-2010, 02:01 AM
Is their any other supplements that help heal the gut the way Glutamine does .. I do get alot of leaky gut problems and would like to correct this .. currently taking Probiotics, HCL betaine, fibre tabs
Leaky gut....what are your symptoms ? It might be of relevance to me.
CubbieBlue
03-18-2010, 07:11 AM
Ok, HAN.. explain this. There are tons of factors which first of all affect REM and dreaming, and dream recall is a whole other level. This is coming from an avid LDer for over 20 years.
This makes absolutely no sense to me as well.
Dex09
03-18-2010, 09:24 AM
Leaky gut....what are your symptoms ? It might be of relevance to me.
Mostly alergies to many types of foods(can tell from itching, sneezing etc), inability to digest foods proteins/carbs all kinds, even taking some supplements causing diareha .. actually this is my biggest problem which is a pita as something small like 500mg choline or eating pasta gives me the runs .. i can usually tell before hand with the noises my stomach makes :/ I usually do better when eating plain solid slabs of meat like steak, pork chops ... This is dispite being on trt hcg adex ghrp-6 cortef armour a whole bunch of supps to help the gut and liver on about 2yrs ..
hardasnails1973
03-18-2010, 09:46 AM
Leaky gut....what are your symptoms ? It might be of relevance to me.
Leaky gut is just another term for increased intestinal permeability which means particles that should remain in the gut are bleeding into the blood stream causes excessive immune reactions to the body as well as potentially over taxing liver.
hardasnails1973
03-18-2010, 09:51 AM
Ok, HAN.. explain this. There are tons of factors which first of all affect REM and dreaming, and dream recall is a whole other level. This is coming from an avid LDer for over 20 years.
Rem is controlled by several different mechanism
1. Neurological
2. Endocrine
The 2 work in tandem with another to produce the optimal recover and gh
Since starting ghrf I am getting noticeable amount of dream recall as well.
P5P - could potentially help with dream recall so can melatonin as well.
When people are stressed they produce enyzme that can bind zinc and b-6 making it in affective resulting in zinc and b-6 like deficiency. This is a genetic factor involved with stress and every one response is different.
hardasnails1973
03-18-2010, 09:53 AM
Mostly alergies to many types of foods(can tell from itching, sneezing etc), inability to digest foods proteins/carbs all kinds, even taking some supplements causing diareha .. actually this is my biggest problem which is a pita as something small like 500mg choline or eating pasta gives me the runs .. i can usually tell before hand with the noises my stomach makes :/ I usually do better when eating plain solid slabs of meat like steak, pork chops ... This is dispite being on trt hcg adex ghrp-6 cortef armour a whole bunch of supps to help the gut and liver on about 2yrs ..
Proper glutamine and GH levels help heal the gut wall as the gut will suck glutamine out of the muscle as top priority for survival. i research this for over 2 weeks straight on GH and glutamine can increase gut absorption by 30-40% because it increases the villa and surface area for absorption of nutrients.
Dex09
03-18-2010, 12:06 PM
Proper glutamine and GH levels help heal the gut wall as the gut will suck glutamine out of the muscle as top priority for survival. i research this for over 2 weeks straight on GH and glutamine can increase gut absorption by 30-40% because it increases the villa and surface area for absorption of nutrients.
Thanks for this Hans .. was about to give up on Glutamine due to the non stop headaches yesterday n las nite but will stick with the low dose say 4grams everyday for the next few and increase every week or so ... yup on the ghrp-6 100mcg before bed for the gh .. had bottom levels of Gh urine on the rheins 24 urine test.
I wonder if anyone else has had the similar detoxification symptoms from taking high dose Glutamine .. tried to search but couldnt find anything on it ..?!??
I did notice from about week after of Glutamine ... i seemed buliker and veins were popping out my hands, forehams etc .. plus my forearms got huge ... from idk .. maybe coulda been the glutamine ...
hardasnails1973
03-18-2010, 12:27 PM
Glutamine also acts natural buffer for PH imbalances as well plus when i put people on low carbs I increase glutamine to give them more glycogen and less calories. This is one of the secrets that work for dieting for people wanting to loose weight. Depending on persons response to glutamine in women I kick it up to 10-15 grams and guys 20-30 grams spaced out centered around cardio and pre and post workouts with weight. taking more then 10 grams at one time is an over kill one is better at 5 grams each sitting except post workout to help with glycogen replenishment. I also use BCAAS at 5 grms for women and 5-10 grams for men due to the potential to create a serotonin and dopamine imbalnace due that BCAAS compete with trytophan, and tyrosine. To much of one cancels out the other
chipdouglas
03-18-2010, 01:04 PM
Glutamine also acts natural buffer for PH imbalances as well plus when i put people on low carbs I increase glutamine to give them more glycogen and less calories. This is one of the secrets that work for dieting for people wanting to loose weight. Depending on persons response to glutamine in women I kick it up to 10-15 grams and guys 20-30 grams spaced out centered around cardio and pre and post workouts with weight. taking more then 10 grams at one time is an over kill one is better at 5 grams each sitting except post workout to help with glycogen replenishment. I also use BCAAS at 5 grms for women and 5-10 grams for men due to the potential to create a serotonin and dopamine imbalnace due that BCAAS compete with trytophan, and tyrosine. To much of one cancels out the other
I'm not sure I'm following here ; you give BCAA's in order to make up for the imbalances in serotonin and dopamine. Hasn't it been found that it is BCAA's that can cause such a neurotransmitter imbalance between DA and 5-HT ?
hardasnails1973
03-18-2010, 01:34 PM
BCAAS are used before and post weight and cardio to keep positive nitrogen balnace and proper inuslin response for maintaining lean muscle mass. My goal is less caloires while maintaining positive nitrogen balance and excellerated fat lose, while maintaming strength. Guys ad women coming into contest or lossing weight when trained properly will get stronger and leaner unlike most people that stay the same or lose muscle mass and hold on to fat. I have trained several people over years and can grow naturally in negative caloiric balance just as easy with less fat vs excessive caloires. I never bulk up but lean people out then increase lean muscle mass while guys stay at 10% and women at <18% BF. I do not believe in bulking up, but a healthy slow gain over time so body can adjust.
chipdouglas
03-18-2010, 01:42 PM
BCAAS are used before and post weight and cardio to keep positive nitrogen balnace and proper inuslin response for maintaining lean muscle mass. My goal is less caloires while maintaining positive nitrogen balance and excellerated fat lose, while maintaming strength. Guys ad women coming into contest or lossing weight when trained properly will get stronger and leaner unlike most people that stay the same or lose muscle mass and hold on to fat. I have trained several people over years and can grow naturally in negative caloiric balance just as easy with less fat vs excessive caloires. I never bulk up but lean people out then increase lean muscle mass while guys stay at 10% and women at <18% BF. I do not believe in bulking up, but a healthy slow gain over time so body can adjust.
I totally agree, but what I wrote was that : isn't it BCAA's that have been associated with creating DA/5-HT imbalances ? IIRC, BCAAs have been blamed for competing with the uptake of DA and 5-HT neurotransmitter precursors. Now, don't get me wrong, BCAAs is darn good stuff. I wasn't saying it's bad, but just found some inconsistency in your post.
Your quote :
I also use BCAAS at 5 grms for women and 5-10 grams for men due to the potential to create a serotonin and dopamine imbalnace due that BCAAS compete with trytophan, and tyrosine.
Do you see what I mean ?
Lucky1
03-18-2010, 01:56 PM
BCAAS are used before and post weight and cardio to keep positive nitrogen balnace and proper inuslin response for maintaining lean muscle mass. My goal is less caloires while maintaining positive nitrogen balance and excellerated fat lose, while maintaming strength. Guys ad women coming into contest or lossing weight when trained properly will get stronger and leaner unlike most people that stay the same or lose muscle mass and hold on to fat. I have trained several people over years and can grow naturally in negative caloiric balance just as easy with less fat vs excessive caloires. I never bulk up but lean people out then increase lean muscle mass while guys stay at 10% and women at <18% BF. I do not believe in bulking up, but a healthy slow gain over time so body can adjust.
Hans....can whey protein shakes be used in lieu, of BCAAS?
cumkwakka
03-18-2010, 03:00 PM
Although i have some allergic reactions from my probiotics, i do feel that my energy is increased. I also have less dark circles under my eyes from this stuff.
So far really liking it!
Once i also tried sachomyres boulardi, and my poop was just perfect every morning. I might buy this again for candida.
Can sachomyres be destroyed if i take my probiotic formula? What about dosing times?
I might take l-glutamine for leaky gut, since the probiotics is probably seeping into my bloodstream.
Perhaps:
5 grams glutamine in the morning
probiotics 60 billion live bacteria
before bed:
sachomyres boullardi
where can i add in anti fungal meds to kill off candida?
what is the best order of healing the gut? i heard first fix leaky gut with glutamine, then add in anti fungals and then finish off with probiotics..
anyone experience with settling candida/leaky gut issues?
ptm82379
03-18-2010, 03:34 PM
This thread kicks ass...Thank you for doing this HAN
legbuh
03-18-2010, 04:31 PM
Rem is controlled by several different mechanism
1. Neurological
2. Endocrine
The 2 work in tandem with another to produce the optimal recover and gh
Since starting ghrf I am getting noticeable amount of dream recall as well.
P5P - could potentially help with dream recall so can melatonin as well.
When people are stressed they produce enyzme that can bind zinc and b-6 making it in affective resulting in zinc and b-6 like deficiency. This is a genetic factor involved with stress and every one response is different.
No were saying to take glutamine until you get dream recall. Dream recall isn't something that can be improved unless practiced. Even those with great dream recall don't remember every dream, especially a few minutes after waking up unless you write it down, think about it, etc while you're still in that half dream state.
chipdouglas
03-18-2010, 05:40 PM
sachomyres boullardi
While I haven't read upon this supps. I remember glancing at it from a reliable source. It seems to work wonders in bumping up the amount of friendly bacteria in the guts.
JanSz
03-18-2010, 05:51 PM
candida Remove Replace Reinoculate Repair
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-4.html#post1621232
================================================== ========
SCIO - Bio-Energetic Wellness Centre (http://www.sciohealth.co.za/colon.asp)
Treatment of leaky gut syndrome
The aim of the treatment protocol is to remove obstructions to metabolic processes, and to encourage the body to self-regulate these vital processes. The four pillars of treatment are: remove, replace, reinoculate and repair.
1. Remove
1.1 Parasites, bacteria and fungi: Removal of the latter can be effected with herbal products such as Warburgia,
Taheebo or Pau D’Arco, Citricidal, Para 90 etc., or an essential oil product such as
Origanum capsules (Pranarom), or Rife Resonator therapy. Usually about 2 weeks’ treatment is needed.
1.2 Dietary toxins, additives, chemicals and foods to which the patient may be sensitive can be avoided by placing
the patient on a diet eliminating foods commonly found to be sensitising, such as wheat, dairy, sugar
and additives. Occasionally one needs to go further and eliminate soya, gluten and corn as well.
1.3 Colon Cleansing: Removal of colonic plaque
2. Replace
2.1 Insufficient stomach acid and digestive enzymes can be supplemented with products containing Betaine HCl,
and digestive enzymes such as DigestCo (Mediherb), Digestizyme (Amipro), etc.
2.2 Nutritional deficiencies, arising from poor digestion, can be corrected with a good functional food (see below).
3. Re-inoculate
3.1 Friendly bacteria must be replenished as soon as the parasite cleanse (above) has been completed. This should
be ongoing for several months. Use a reliable product such as Reuteri, Intestiflora or Probiflora.
4. Repair
4.1 Gut lining can be repaired with L-Glutamine, MSM and good-quality, pharmaceutical-grade Omega 3 oils.
A good-quality functional food forms the cornerstone of the above regimen, by providing a complete range of nutrients, vitamins, minerals, pre-biotics such as FOS (Fructo-Oligo-Saccharide) and insulin to support the bacteria, L-Glutamine and MSM. The locally produced Target Candida is effective and less expensive, but is based on soya, which may disagree with patients if they are intolerant to it. The imported UltraClear Sustain is excellent and rice-based, but more expensive. UltraInflamX is used when there is inflammation in the body, and UltraClear Plus is for promoting Phase 1 and 2 detoxification pathways in the liver. These products are best used under the supervision of a knowledgeable integrative practitioner.
Liver support and detox
It is important to support the liver through the above programme with herbal products such as Milk Thistle, LivCo (Mediherb), Livotibb, etc. UltraClear Plus and Chlorella both improve detoxification processes in the liver very effectively.
===============================================
================================================== ==========================================
===============================================
http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/files/profile_assets/interpretation_guides/Intestinal%20Permeability-InterpGuide.pdf
Intestinal Permeability Assessment
Consider
Consider “4 R” approach to GI health:
1) Remove mucosal irritants such as allergenic foods, alcohol, gluten (if sensitive), NSAIDS:
• Consider elimination diet
• Remove possible pathogens (bacteria, yeast, parasites)
• Consider Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA) or Comprehensive Parasitology, Bacterial Overgrowth of the Small Intestine Breath Test
• Reduce sugar, refined carbohydrates, saturated fat, red meat (meat can induce bacterial enzyme activity)
• Restore proper transit time
–Increase dietary fiber (esp. insoluble) and water
2) Replace agents for digestive support:
• Consider pancreatic or plant enzymes, bile salts, betaine HCl, digestive herbs, or disaccharidases (e.g. lactase) where needed
• Consider CDSA, Lactose Intolerance Breath Test (or other disaccharide) to rule out disaccharidase deficiency
3) Reinoculate with friendly bacteria, if low:
• Consider CDSA, Microbiology, or Comprehensive Parasitology to rule out gut flora insufficiencies
• Consider probiotic supplementation, including Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria
• Consider fructooligosaccharides and inulin to enhance growth of friendly flora
4) Repair mucosal lining:
• Consider L-glutamine, EFAs, zinc, pantothenic acid, vitamins C, E, and A, beta carotene, N-acetyl glucosamine, gamma oryzanol, glycerrhiza, aloe vera
• Consider antioxidants such as vitamins C, E and A, selenium, carotenoids, glutathione, N-acetyl cysteine, pycnogenol and flavonoids
• Consider Saccharomyces boulardii, whey globulin concentrate, or bovine colostrum to improve local immunity
• Consider ginkgo biloba to enhance circulation to intestinal epithelium
chipdouglas
03-18-2010, 06:06 PM
candida Remove Replace Reinoculate Repair
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/66268-jans-bloodtest-april13-4.html#post1621232
================================================== ========
SCIO - Bio-Energetic Wellness Centre (http://www.sciohealth.co.za/colon.asp)
Treatment of leaky gut syndrome
The aim of the treatment protocol is to remove obstructions to metabolic processes, and to encourage the body to self-regulate these vital processes. The four pillars of treatment are: remove, replace, reinoculate and repair.
1. Remove
1.1 Parasites, bacteria and fungi: Removal of the latter can be effected with herbal products such as Warburgia,
Taheebo or Pau D’Arco, Citricidal, Para 90 etc., or an essential oil product such as
Origanum capsules (Pranarom), or Rife Resonator therapy. Usually about 2 weeks’ treatment is needed.
1.2 Dietary toxins, additives, chemicals and foods to which the patient may be sensitive can be avoided by placing
the patient on a diet eliminating foods commonly found to be sensitising, such as wheat, dairy, sugar
and additives. Occasionally one needs to go further and eliminate soya, gluten and corn as well.
1.3 Colon Cleansing: Removal of colonic plaque
2. Replace
2.1 Insufficient stomach acid and digestive enzymes can be supplemented with products containing Betaine HCl,
and digestive enzymes such as DigestCo (Mediherb), Digestizyme (Amipro), etc.
2.2 Nutritional deficiencies, arising from poor digestion, can be corrected with a good functional food (see below).
3. Re-inoculate
3.1 Friendly bacteria must be replenished as soon as the parasite cleanse (above) has been completed. This should
be ongoing for several months. Use a reliable product such as Reuteri, Intestiflora or Probiflora.
4. Repair
4.1 Gut lining can be repaired with L-Glutamine, MSM and good-quality, pharmaceutical-grade Omega 3 oils.
A good-quality functional food forms the cornerstone of the above regimen, by providing a complete range of nutrients, vitamins, minerals, pre-biotics such as FOS (Fructo-Oligo-Saccharide) and insulin to support the bacteria, L-Glutamine and MSM. The locally produced Target Candida is effective and less expensive, but is based on soya, which may disagree with patients if they are intolerant to it. The imported UltraClear Sustain is excellent and rice-based, but more expensive. UltraInflamX is used when there is inflammation in the body, and UltraClear Plus is for promoting Phase 1 and 2 detoxification pathways in the liver. These products are best used under the supervision of a knowledgeable integrative practitioner.
Liver support and detox
It is important to support the liver through the above programme with herbal products such as Milk Thistle, LivCo (Mediherb), Livotibb, etc. UltraClear Plus and Chlorella both improve detoxification processes in the liver very effectively.
===============================================
================================================== ==========================================
===============================================
http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/files/profile_assets/interpretation_guides/Intestinal%20Permeability-InterpGuide.pdf
Intestinal Permeability Assessment
Consider
Consider “4 R” approach to GI health:
1) Remove mucosal irritants such as allergenic foods, alcohol, gluten (if sensitive), NSAIDS:
• Consider elimination diet
• Remove possible pathogens (bacteria, yeast, parasites)
• Consider Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis (CDSA) or Comprehensive Parasitology, Bacterial Overgrowth of the Small Intestine Breath Test
• Reduce sugar, refined carbohydrates, saturated fat, red meat (meat can induce bacterial enzyme activity)
• Restore proper transit time
–Increase dietary fiber (esp. insoluble) and water
2) Replace agents for digestive support:
• Consider pancreatic or plant enzymes, bile salts, betaine HCl, digestive herbs, or disaccharidases (e.g. lactase) where needed
• Consider CDSA, Lactose Intolerance Breath Test (or other disaccharide) to rule out disaccharidase deficiency
3) Reinoculate with friendly bacteria, if low:
• Consider CDSA, Microbiology, or Comprehensive Parasitology to rule out gut flora insufficiencies
• Consider probiotic supplementation, including Lactobacilli and Bifidobacteria
• Consider fructooligosaccharides and inulin to enhance growth of friendly flora
4) Repair mucosal lining:
• Consider L-glutamine, EFAs, zinc, pantothenic acid, vitamins C, E, and A, beta carotene, N-acetyl glucosamine, gamma oryzanol, glycerrhiza, aloe vera
• Consider antioxidants such as vitamins C, E and A, selenium, carotenoids, glutathione, N-acetyl cysteine, pycnogenol and flavonoids
• Consider Saccharomyces boulardii, whey globulin concentrate, or bovine colostrum to improve local immunity
• Consider ginkgo biloba to enhance circulation to intestinal epithelium
Awesome post.
wondering
03-18-2010, 07:47 PM
screw it, I have had back acne for a good 20 years and am very sensitive to sugars. Not as bad now that I have been treated with HC, but I get faciaal breakouts when i eat caandy. Im 39.
Curious if a detox can help this and help sexual issues, so I'm gonna give it a try. My Dr. gave me a 1 month diet plan that is pretty restrictive - lots of vegetables, so refineds sugars and other strict rules. The diet came with 2 supplements from Metagenics - UltraClear Renew (which is a powder) and AdvaClear which is a pill.
Anyone ever try this? I see UltraClear is mentioned above.
hardasnails1973
03-19-2010, 12:22 AM
I just attended a seminar on cytokines testing that will give a whole new direction in how to identify and treat hidden intestinal bacterial and intestinal inflammation issues. I look forward to implementing this in the future which is covered by majoirity of insurances
In order t heal the gut one must sooth the wall with before the bacteria can stick. Using probiotics with inflammed wall = money down the toilet
Slippery elm and okra are great for healing and provide the mucous barrier to keep out bacteria and to reduce inflamation. Rejuvienx by GIAI is a great product. When dealing with the gut it is probably a not the cause by rather a symptoms of other inflammation with in the body that is hidden
Whey protein are balanced with another amino acids so you are fine taking high doages of BCAAS seperate can cause alteration i 5HT/ DA levels.
hardasnails1973
03-19-2010, 12:23 AM
No were saying to take glutamine until you get dream recall. Dream recall isn't something that can be improved unless practiced. Even those with great dream recall don't remember every dream, especially a few minutes after waking up unless you write it down, think about it, etc while you're still in that half dream state.
take P5P or b-6 till dream recall not glutamine
glutamine is used to heal the gut wall and help with gaba formation
legbuh
03-19-2010, 12:26 AM
start out with 50 mgs before bed and increase 25 mgs till you get dream recall
then stop. if dream recall then you are at a proper amouint
So this wasn't referring to glutamine.. just wanna make sure...
legbuh
03-19-2010, 12:32 AM
I just attended a seminar on cytokines testing that will give a whole new direction in how to identify and treat hidden intestinal bacterial and intestinal inflammation issues. I look forward to implementing this in the future which is covered by majoirity of insurances
In order t heal the gut one must sooth the wall with before the bacteria can stick. Using probiotics with inflammed wall = money down the toilet
Define "hidden bacterial and instestinal inflammation issues" for us. Are these things that high doses of Antibiotics won't kill (very often to use to rule out SIBO) and inflammation not seen during a colonoscapy or endo (or even that cool little pill with the camera in it).
cumkwakka
03-19-2010, 07:29 AM
Has anyone tried TRIPHALA? An ayurvedic colon tonic..
I read there were many contaminated ayurvedic products sold in USA 21% of the stuff. Lead was one of the main contaminants...
hardasnails1973
03-19-2010, 10:47 AM
Yes it does work for time being then it stoped on me
Start at 3 a night then increase.
For a colon blow oxypowder will work the best.
hardasnails1973
03-19-2010, 10:51 AM
Define "hidden bacterial and instestinal inflammation issues" for us. Are these things that high doses of Antibiotics won't kill (very often to use to rule out SIBO) and inflammation not seen during a colonoscapy or endo (or even that cool little pill with the camera in it).
Hidden bacteria gram negative leave "foot prints" in immune system markers and now we are able to see these foot prints last to point us to potential pathogens that have gone undiscovered for years. Also we now are finding people that are metal sensitive which can cause an immune response as well. Right now I am working on developling the best means to indentifying these barriers to have a greater impact on a person over all health. When people end up coming to see us they have been through average of 10-20 dr's and endos wondering why they are not better that is where digging further reveals alot more going on. We use combination of the neruo endo immune system as out tri phasic approach to over all optimal wellness
scottyo
03-19-2010, 11:22 AM
HAN, have you looked into Low Dose Natrexetone (sp?)...ie LDN for stomach issues? I know they are testing it heavily now for Crohns, for IBS, Lyme etc. and was curious as to your take.
HAN, on your advice, I have been dosing glutamine at 20 grams a day in divided doses. I am seeing some interesting results. My bowel movements are better and more well formed and my bloating seems to be reduced. I have a follow-up question:
I have heard it is important to take glutamine on an empty stomach. This is difficult if dosing multiple times a day. Do you agree that it should be taken on an empty stomach, or is that not necessary?