HGH for my issues, should i try it?

[cumkwakka]

My doctor has had me on testogel now for a couple months with not so good results.

He also said growth hormone would be an option, namely omnitropin, exact dosage daily i don't know.

It's injected subcutaneously right?

Would this be good for my libido / wood, before i make a switchover to injectable testosterone?

I hear many guys reporting it's awesome for just this issue alone...

[josh]

How much is the growth hormone for you?

My advise is that if you're paying any reasonable amount of money for it yourself, hold off until you've got everything else within range.

T, E2, SHBG, Thyroid, Cortisol, Aldosterone, VitD, B12, etc etc.

Otherwise, you'll just waste money like I did the last three months. $1k with no gain. Turns out I really needed twice the dose, that would have been $2k...

Me personally, I wasted too long messing around with trying to get cream working. I had both E2 and absorption problems. I'd have rathered the extra pain of injecting every two days and gone straight to shots.

[Dadoo]

How much is the growth hormone for you?

My advise is that if you're paying any reasonable amount of money for it yourself, hold off until you've got everything else within range.

T, E2, SHBG, Thyroid, Cortisol, Aldosterone, VitD, B12, etc etc.

Otherwise, you'll just waste money like I did the last three months. $1k with no gain. Turns out I really needed twice the dose, that would have been $2k...

Me personally, I wasted too long messing around with trying to get cream working. I had both E2 and absorption problems. I'd have rathered the extra pain of injecting every two days and gone straight to shots.

so how are things now? improved?

[josh]

Unfortunately not. By the time I raised to 2IU I was out of GH in a week. I can't afford it any more for the moment. Car repayments and health insurance have gone up $15 a week, not to mention general living expenses. Health insurance covers bugger all in Australia when it comes to GH.

I've started taking Florinef two weeks ago, will see what that has done to my hormones as I'm sure it has moved them around a little. Once they're all measured up I may have better success next time round.

Don't think I'll be buying another lot for a few months though unfortunately.

Cheers

[pmgamer18]

In my case I am Hypopituitary and I us to think getting my Hormones leveled off my IGF-1 levels would come up well they did but not enough.

My Dr. was telling me for yrs. I needed to be on HGH but I like a dummy would not go on it because of the sides I read about.

Now fast forward I ended up having Heart Bypass Surgery and my Heart Dr. told me my low GH levels added to the problem and I need to go on HGH so this dose not happen again.

He gave me a script for Humatrope the 6 mg. Pen telling me to do a .3mg. shot every night before bed.

It took me 7 weeks to get this approved with my Drug Care plain now I only pay $16.00 every 20 days for my HGH.
http://www.humatrope.com/index.jsp

It was a lot of crap to have to do the get my Caremark drug plain to pay for this but well worth it.

I have been on this 3 months now I sleep better after the heart sugary I was put on meds this give me ED problems. Now on HGH they are gone and from the first week on this my Thyroid meds became to strong I was on 4 grains of Armour. I must say this was a trip and a big set back of about 5 weeks. Now I am not on Thyroid meds and I have had to cut back on my HCG dose I eat up my T as fast as I take it now on HGH I don't think this is the case anymore. But I need to do labs again at the end of the month to see how things look.

I say this because after an HCG shot every cutting way back on it my Estradiol is going very high. I have needed to take .5 to 1 mg. per day of Arimidex to keep this down.

So yesterday I stopped doing HCG to see if this was the problem so far today I am not having high levels of Estraidol.

So if you ask me I say yes my body is getting better on HGH.

[chilln]

My doctor has had me on testogel now for a couple months with not so good results.

He also said growth hormone would be an option, namely omnitropin, exact dosage daily i don't know.

It's injected subcutaneously right?

Would this be good for my libido / wood, before i make a switchover to injectable testosterone?

I hear many guys reporting it's awesome for just this issue alone...

Sometimes boosting GH improves cortisol levels, when your adrenals are not rate limited.

Other times boosting GH just makes low cortisol lower, when your adrenals don't produce more cortisol in response to the GH boost.

You never know which body type you are in advance, just be prepared for either situation.

###

When GH starts out too low, and when cortisol levels are initially optimum, or cortisol levels are initially low but will rise to meet the demands of extra GH, then a GH boost is a wonderful thing which will trigger repairs similar to the way testosterone triggers repairs.

.

[josh]

It took me 7 weeks to get this approved with my Drug Care plain now I only pay $16.00 every 20 days for my HGH.
http://www.humatrope.com/index.jsp


Hey Phil,
half your luck!

15IU = $230AUD (That's half the retail price, I negotiated to buy it at cost from the supplier).
At a 5/2 dosing 2IU, that's 1.5 weeks worth.

I don't shit gold bricks, so I have no way to pay for it. If there is a gold brick replacement therapy, please let me know :(

My health insurance will cover:
Pharmaceutical
(Non PBS prescriptions only, Benefit is payable on balance in excess of PBS)
Benefit: 75% of balance >PBS, Max $50/script
Annual/Person Limit: $500/person, $1,000/family

So for each $230 script I can get $50 back. My cost $180/script.
But I can only claim $500/year.
$7,820 = $7,320 out of pocket.

How can a sick person afford $7,320 for one drug that is essential to quality of life?

Combined with
Cytomel $250/yr (Not available in Aus afaik, only as compounded. I buy from overseas, heaps cheaper and namebrand)
Pregnyl $648/yr (Only Gov Subsidised for fertility, not hypogonadism)
Prednisolone $78/yr (Gov Subsidised)

I'm glad I'm not paying for DHEA, Pregnenolone, Test Cream/Test Enanthate any more.

I also pay for my wife's Erfa Thyroid which is extortion.
Efrfa Thyroid 4gr/day $976/yr

$1,952/yr just on medications that I consider essential to life.
like WTF.

If I wanted to, I could go T4 only and cut that down big time, but with a sacrifice to quality of life.

If I do GH, I'm paying a total of $9,272/yr. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE DOCTORS OR TEST FEES!!!!!!!!

Edit: Doctor is $130/mo = $1,560/yr. $500 for MRI, ~$600/yr blood tests. That's another $2,660 this year.

[josh]

I should move to Thailand for cheap GH..!

[pmgamer18]

Wow after reading this I am in pain.

Hey Phil,
half your luck!

15IU = $230AUD (That's half the retail price, I negotiated to buy it at cost from the supplier).
At a 5/2 dosing 2IU, that's 1.5 weeks worth.

I don't shit gold bricks, so I have no way to pay for it. If there is a gold brick replacement therapy, please let me know :(

My health insurance will cover:
Pharmaceutical
(Non PBS prescriptions only, Benefit is payable on balance in excess of PBS)
Benefit: 75% of balance >PBS, Max $50/script
Annual/Person Limit: $500/person, $1,000/family

So for each $230 script I can get $50 back. My cost $180/script.
But I can only claim $500/year.
$7,820 = $7,320 out of pocket.

How can a sick person afford $7,320 for one drug that is essential to quality of life?

Combined with
Cytomel $250/yr (Not available in Aus afaik, only as compounded. I buy from overseas, heaps cheaper and namebrand)
Pregnyl $648/yr (Only Gov Subsidised for fertility, not hypogonadism)
Prednisolone $78/yr (Gov Subsidised)

I'm glad I'm not paying for DHEA, Pregnenolone, Test Cream/Test Enanthate any more.

I also pay for my wife's Erfa Thyroid which is extortion.
Efrfa Thyroid 4gr/day $976/yr

$1,952/yr just on medications that I consider essential to life.
like WTF.

If I wanted to, I could go T4 only and cut that down big time, but with a sacrifice to quality of life.

If I do GH, I'm paying a total of $9,272/yr. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE DOCTORS OR TEST FEES!!!!!!!!

Edit: Doctor is $130/mo = $1,560/yr. $500 for MRI, ~$600/yr blood tests. That's another $2,660 this year.

[cumkwakka]

doc has confirmed i can try test injections of 100 mg per week or split twice a week to 50 mg

thank god, the gels ain't working.. so hopefully this will be enough

i might add in GH if i don't buy the gels again

will have to settle my stomach / intestinal issues

[Dadoo]

doc has confirmed i can try test injections of 100 mg per week or split twice a week to 50 mg

thank god, the gels ain't working.. so hopefully this will be enough

i might add in GH if i don't buy the gels again

will have to settle my stomach / intestinal issues

congrats)))) keep posted

[cumkwakka]

thanks

let's hope this works for my ED or i am gonna shoot myself

(just kidding)

i am really interested in Omnitrope, i would be getting 0.15 mg per day but don't know the costs, will ask next visit

[JanSz]

doc has confirmed i can try test injections of 100 mg per week or split twice a week to 50 mg

thank god, the gels ain't working.. so hopefully this will be enough

i might add in GH if i don't buy the gels again

will have to settle my stomach / intestinal issues

Remind me your SHBG.

If you are anywhere close to SHBG~20 (+-5)

you will need about 175mg/week

EOD schedule

T-shot=50mg=25units=175mg/week
HCG-shot=250iu

Both shots one day next day free.
Time of the day for shots is flexible +-9hrs, per your convenience at the given day.
Two weeks before blood draw, do shots at 7:30AM
Retest after 2-3 months
Draw blood 7:30AM (day of shots before shots)


Above applicable only if SHBG~20 (+-5)

...

[cumkwakka]

Remind me your SHBG.

If you are anywhere close to SHBG~20 (+-5)

you will need about 175mg/week

EOD schedule

T-shot=50mg=25units=175mg/week
HCG-shot=250iu

Both shots one day next day free.
Time of the day for shots is flexible +-9hrs, per your convenience at the given day.
Two weeks before blood draw, do shots at 7:30AM
Retest after 2-3 months
Draw blood 7:30AM (day of shots before shots)


Above applicable only if SHBG~20 (+-5)

...

hey jansz

yes my shbg has been 15, 19, 17, 20 on bloodtests so all around 20 +-5

i read your recommendations on that amount of T

how did you get to that number calculation if i may ask?

the most i will do is twice weekly shots eod is seriously too much for me, i can't handle even taking in all my supps religiously, so twice a week would be enough for me (maximum)

what would be a good twice weekly dosing for me?

[JanSz]

hey jansz

yes my shbg has been 15, 19, 17, 20 on bloodtests so all around 20 +-5

i read your recommendations on that amount of T

how did you get to that number calculation if i may ask?

the most i will do is twice weekly shots eod is seriously too much for me, i can't handle even taking in all my supps religiously, so twice a week would be enough for me (maximum)

what would be a good twice weekly dosing for me?

You may divide weekly dose and split it into two.

If you are not able to stick to reliable schedule,
you will have to suffer the consequences.

Keep that in mind,
with time that may help you in your resolve.
You are not alone.

Good luck.

..


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[josh]

Wow after reading this I am in pain.

Did I mention that is at the subsidised rate that I get from the manufacturer?
Double it ($15,640) for retail price that everbody else pays!!!

[josh]

the most i will do is twice weekly shots eod is seriously too much for me, i can't handle even taking in all my supps religiously, so twice a week would be enough for me (maximum)


If the issue is the needle size, use 27ga or 29ga (if you can get the solution into it, only one way to find out). You hardly feel a thing if you sit down and put it in your thigh.

If keeping track is the issue, get a calendar and write on it each time you take something. I'd be lost without a calendar.

[wondering]

There is NO WAY you can know what T levels someone will achieve from a starting dose. This is why Dr. J starts his patients at 100mg per week and tests and adjust from there. He states right in his TRT protocol that he has seen some small men barely budge on said dose and huge men go thru the roof. I have never seen him state being able to predict where someobe will go based on SHBG.

What clinical evidence are you basing this on?


Remind me your SHBG.

If you are anywhere close to SHBG~20 (+-5)

you will need about 175mg/week

EOD schedule

T-shot=50mg=25units=175mg/week
HCG-shot=250iu

Both shots one day next day free.
Time of the day for shots is flexible +-9hrs, per your convenience at the given day.
Two weeks before blood draw, do shots at 7:30AM
Retest after 2-3 months
Draw blood 7:30AM (day of shots before shots)


Above applicable only if SHBG~20 (+-5)

...

[JanSz]

There is NO WAY you can know what T levels someone will achieve from a starting dose. This is why Dr. J starts his patients at 100mg per week and tests and adjust from there. He states right in his TRT protocol that he has seen some small men barely budge on said dose and huge men go thru the roof. I have never seen him state being able to predict where someobe will go based on SHBG.

What clinical evidence are you basing this on?
My personal experience
and
review of blood tests posted by others.

Remember, it is only until next blood test.
--------

My first experience was when I was switching from my failed T-cream experiment to T-shots.
I was amazed how close I got to my goal on a first try.

........
I am also amazed how clueless are medical advisors of many guys posting here.
Instead of clear and short project they are milking and torturing many of their patients (for years).

..

[wondering]

k, but I'm pretty sure Dr. J has stated he has no idea how someones levels will go up on a 100mg dose until he tests. Everyone is different and I don't think it is entirely due to SHBG or he would be able to predict.


My personal experience
and
review of blood tests posted by others.

Remember, it is only until next blood test.
--------

My first experience was when I was switching from my failed T-cream experiment to T-shots.
I was amazed how close I got to my goal on a first try.

........
I am also amazed how clueless are medical advisors of many guys posting here.
Instead of clear and short project they are milking and torturing many of their patients (for years).

..

[legbuh]

My doctor has had me on testogel now for a couple months with not so good results.

He also said growth hormone would be an option, namely omnitropin, exact dosage daily i don't know.

It's injected subcutaneously right?

Would this be good for my libido / wood, before i make a switchover to injectable testosterone?

I hear many guys reporting it's awesome for just this issue alone...

No.

I'm betting your "doctor" is an internet one. If not, and it's covered by insurance, do it. If not, they just want your money.

[cumkwakka]

No.

I'm betting your "doctor" is an internet one. If not, and it's covered by insurance, do it. If not, they just want your money.

i don't really get what you mean with an internet doctor. you mean a site where you can buy your own stuff and ask for a prescription and they just give it to you?

i am with a real doctor who i visit and have seen face to face

he normally treats with testogel+finasteride or nebido but since i don't want any more ED problems i asked if i could switch to shots for ED since gels don't work

if that ain't work i am at a loss what to do and might try omnitrope i can afford it

[brandO]

What exactly are you looking for?

[cumkwakka]

THIS:

people not on TRT complain of libido/bad wood, people on TRT complain of bad wood even with E2 dialed in

HGH seems to be perfect for this cause

check this T nation link with testimonial:

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_seni or/trt_protocol_for_injections

Then there is HGH. I'm curious about the connection between T and HGH. TRT did basically nothing for me in the libido department but TRT plus HGH fixed my function and libido 100%. HGH has been amazing. It's worth every penny in my opinion. This is month three and things just keep getting better. I'll be on it the rest of my life.

[chilln]

THIS:

people not on TRT complain of libido/bad wood, people on TRT complain of bad wood even with E2 dialed in


And people with wood dialled in don't complain at all. So you're not reading about them.



HGH seems to be perfect for this cause


Any of the main hormones, in the main group of hormones we discuss on this forum, can optimize any of the other hormones in the same group. (group = insulin sensitivity, cortisol, thyroid hormones, testosterone, estradiol, growth hormone)

They all feedback on each other very strongly, but all of us have different genetic setpoints for the optimums for each of the hormones, so we don't know in advance the exact amount of feedback between them all, in each of our bodies.

Which is why therapeutic trails (dosage response trials) are equally a part of our hormone modulation therapy, as are labs and symptoms analysis.

###

There are always some people with most of their hormones in reasonable shape, except GH, who discover that GH nails the last of their remaining low hormone symptoms.

You may be one of them. So be it.

But you and your medical professional adviser will only know this if:

a) and your medical professional adviser confirm your GH is low
b) and your medical professional adviser confirm the rest of your hormones are in reasonable shape
c) EITHER:
.....you can afford to travel to a medical professional adviser who will prescribe you a GH peptide booster, with a protocol on how to use it
OR:
.....you can afford to travel to a medical professional adviser who will prescribe you recombinant GH, with a protocol on how to use it, and you can afford the recombinant GH.

.

[pmgamer18]

My cost is $16.00 every 20 days Medco says they pay $385 I use this in the 6 mg. Pen.
http://www.humatrope.com/index.jsp


Did I mention that is at the subsidised rate that I get from the manufacturer?
Double it ($15,640) for retail price that everbody else pays!!!

[thenxtgrt1]

My cost is $16.00 every 20 days Medco says they pay $385 I use this in the 6 mg. Pen.
http://www.humatrope.com/index.jsp

This is good to know as I have Medco as well.

[josh]

I'm looking at how to get my hands on GHRP now, if you don't hear from my the authorities have decided I should be locked up.

LOL.

[simpllyhuge]

Does any one know if Eatna would cover HGH. Im young 27, don't know if that factors in.