Offshore HCG

[elzool]

HCG is either going to work or not right? If tested with a preg. test it'll be positive and if it isn't then something is hinky.

I'm looking at the premix variety at ADC as they took the other off the site. Having never used HCG before I'm not sure of the feeling I should have or how to even tell that it's working. Any test I could do before first injecting and then a few weeks afterwards to see if it's effective?

[elzool]

Which I have done, but as the premixed variety is so new, I'm hesitant to just order. Guess I didn't phrase out my question/statement very well.

Really, I think I just don't want to be the guinea pig with the premix and would prefer someone that has used valid hcg to chime in before I bought. But, failing that I think I'll order 3 vials and see how it goes.

[pmgamer18]

If I need to order and I might need to I will not buy pre-mixed HCG ADC has other brands you need to mix just make sure you get the ones with the rubber top vials and then buy some Bac. water to mix it with. The water that comes with it is to be used after you mix it it will not keep in the fridge.

Which I have done, but as the premixed variety is so new, I'm hesitant to just order. Guess I didn't phrase out my question/statement very well.

Really, I think I just don't want to be the guinea pig with the premix and would prefer someone that has used valid hcg to chime in before I bought. But, failing that I think I'll order 3 vials and see how it goes.

[PPC]

HCG is either going to work or not right? If tested with a preg. test it'll be positive and if it isn't then something is hinky.

I'm looking at the premix variety at ADC as they took the other off the site. Having never used HCG before I'm not sure of the feeling I should have or how to even tell that it's working. Any test I could do before first injecting and then a few weeks afterwards to see if it's effective?


My husband is using the new pre mixed hucog. It gave him that 'sense of well being' after the first shot. Since then, he has not felt that sensation on his eod schedule but feeling well overall. I have injected 250 iu's of this hucog into my own body as a little test and believe it is potent only by the strong positive reaction I felt from it. I doubt my reaction was placebo - too much energy and happy mood afterwards.

I prefilled syringes for my husband and put them in the fridge - eight doses out of one 2000 iu vial and they are still obviously potent. Did not add bac water.

But time will tell. If his testicles start shrinking then we will have to fill his hcg script domestically.

[pmgamer18]

Well do keep us posted my drug care plain only can get Novarel and I am finding the new lab they have making it it's not the same it is driving up my Estradiol levels. Medco did tell me they carry a Pre- Mixed amp of HCG can't remember the name. But the rep I was taking to told me off the record that a Dr. that gets it pulls out the plunger from new Needles and fills it with this HCG then puts the plunger back in and keeps it in the fridge. So this brand must come mixed with bacteriostatic water or it would not keep.

Can you read on the box or the insert that come with your pre-mixed HCG what it says it's mixed with and if it is to be use when you get it or if it says to keep in the fridge and if so how long can it keep in the fridge.

I just find it very hard to believe they can send this pre-mixed not in a cold pack and let us believe it will keep. The Pre-Mixed brand in an amp from Medco comes in the mail in a cold pack I think it is called PREGNYL.

After doing a search about this all the diet sites for HCG are asking the same questions I am dose this new pre-mixed HCG from ADC keep in he fridge. I guess it is so new it to soon to tell no one knows if it's going to work or not.


My husband is using the new pre mixed hucog. It gave him that 'sense of well being' after the first shot. Since then, he has not felt that sensation on his eod schedule but feeling well overall. I have injected 250 iu's of this hucog into my own body as a little test and believe it is potent only by the strong positive reaction I felt from it. I doubt my reaction was placebo - too much energy and happy mood afterwards.

I prefilled syringes for my husband and put them in the fridge - eight doses out of one 2000 iu vial and they are still obviously potent. Did not add bac water.

But time will tell. If his testicles start shrinking then we will have to fill his hcg script domestically.

[PPC]

Well do keep us posted my drug care plain only can get Novarel and I am finding the new lab they have making it it's not the same it is driving up my Estradiol levels. Medco did tell me they carry a Pre- Mixed amp of HCG can't remember the name. But the rep I was taking to told me off the record that a Dr. that gets it pulls out the plunger from new Needles and fills it with this HCG then puts the plunger back in and keeps it in the fridge. So this brand must come mixed with bacteriostatic water or it would not keep.

Can you read on the box or the insert that come with your pre-mixed HCG what it says it's mixed with and if it is to be use when you get it or if it says to keep in the fridge and if so how long can it keep in the fridge.

I just find it very hard to believe they can send this pre-mixed not in a cold pack and let us believe it will keep. The Pre-Mixed brand in an amp from Medco comes in the mail in a cold pack I think it is called PREGNYL.

After doing a search about this all the diet sites for HCG are asking the same questions I am dose this new pre-mixed HCG from ADC keep in he fridge. I guess it is so new it to soon to tell no one knows if it's going to work or not.


It says on the box to store between 2 degrees and 8 degrees celcius. It does not say what type of water it is mixed with. It just lists:

Water for injection I.P........q.s.

I don't know what that means.

Phil, I think the manufacturers are relying on the stabalizers they have added to keep it potent until it is penetrated and then refrigeration would be needed. Atleast that is how I understand it.

[pmgamer18]

I just spent an hour reading them and not one knows if it's going to work out.

In other threads there are links to some of the HCG diet forums. There is considerable discussion about the new premixed Hucog. There are many people using it that have given input on the effictiveness.

[seekonk]

Just get the Corion vials from ADC. They are not premixed, and therefore they should travel fine at ambient temperatures. I would not trust the premixed to be good after undergoing ambient temperatures in India, even in winter.

Be aware that the Corion comes with saline water for mixing, for immediate use after reconstitution. If you would like it to keep, get bacteriostatic water instead.

[JanSz]

Just get the Corion vials from ADC. They are not premixed, and therefore they should travel fine at ambient temperatures. I would not trust the premixed to be good after undergoing ambient temperatures in India, even in winter.

Be aware that the Corion comes with saline water for mixing, for immediate use after reconstitution. If you would like it to keep, get bacteriostatic water instead.

I would not press the issue of bacteriostatic water.

I use liquid that comes in the package.
It is saline water.

But it is (possibly) one more reason why 2000iu is what I am buying.
I would not buy 5000iu unless I had no choice.


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[pmgamer18]

Some of the forums I have read are all ready having a problem with the pre-mixed Hucog it is not any good it's mixed with sterile water not bacteriostatic water. It came to one person all foamed up and not in a cold pack. Most are asking for there money back or a diff. brand of HCG.

I would not buy this if I were you or use it. There are a few brands of HCG that come per-mixed it is sent over night and in a cold pack meant to be used when you get it.

Unless Bharat Serum has come up with a way for this to keep and there site says nothing about it I would not buy it.

[JanSz]

alldaychemist have pre-mixed only

genericrxdrugstore have both

,,

[elzool]

alldaychemist have pre-mixed only

genericrxdrugstore have both

,,

Thanks Jan, though sadly I believe genericrxdrugstore is just another name for ADC and I'm guessing they haven't updated their website to match the new premixed variety. I have however emailed them just to be certain.

[seekonk]

alldaychemist have pre-mixed only

genericrxdrugstore have both

,,

That's very new then. I ordered Corion (not premixed) from ADC about a week ago and got it yesterday.

[Steelfan]

Thanks Jan, though sadly I believe genericrxdrugstore is just another name for ADC and I'm guessing they haven't updated their website to match the new premixed variety. I have however emailed them just to be certain.

That's correct. If you look at the contact number at the top of each site, they are the same.

ADC
Call + 1(213) 291-2588 Fax + 1(760) 284-5903

genericrxdrugstore
Call + 1(213) 291-2588 Fax: +1(760) 284-5903

[elzool]

Heh, I didn't even notice the phone numbers. I tried the live chat feature and noticed the offline message was the same at genericrx even stating ADCs name.

Oh well, looks like I'll be ordering Ovidac (https://www.alldaychemist.com/1839-ovidac-2000-iu.html) unless via searching today I find something incredibly negative or someone here has something bad to say about it. I looked at the Corion but it was $20 more for the same quantity.

[JanSz]

My husband is using the new pre mixed hucog. It gave him that 'sense of well being' after the first shot. Since then, he has not felt that sensation on his eod schedule but feeling well overall. I have injected 250 iu's of this hucog into my own body as a little test and believe it is potent only by the strong positive reaction I felt from it. I doubt my reaction was placebo - too much energy and happy mood afterwards.

I prefilled syringes for my husband and put them in the fridge - eight doses out of one 2000 iu vial and they are still obviously potent. Did not add bac water.

But time will tell. If his testicles start shrinking then we will have to fill his hcg script domestically.


I can't find any bad reviews of the new premixed Hucog. Looking at threads on some HCG diet forums there is a lot of discussion. I have seen some people saying it seemed to work and many asking about it but can't find any people that hate it.

I am not forming an opinion until I see more info. I have a hard time believing that a drug manufacturer would change to this premixed formula without testing it. They are saying that it doesn't require refrigeration and will obviously be getting massive returns if the delivered product is ineffective.

I am watching reports on PPC's husband's testis and other experience.

So far, looks good.


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[pmgamer18]

Well I can't do Novarel anymore the new lab that makes it now is doing some thing different to it and it drives my Estradiol levels nuts. I stopped using it 5 days ago and no problems with Estradiol.

I am sitting back waiting to here how the new pre-mixed is going to work out. I still find it hard to believe this can come pre-mixed and be good over a yr. not even being kept cold.

[JanSz]

Well I can't do Novarel anymore the new lab that makes it now is doing some thing different to it and it drives my Estradiol levels nuts. I stopped using it 5 days ago and no problems with Estradiol.

I am sitting back waiting to here how the new pre-mixed is going to work out. I still find it hard to believe this can come pre-mixed and be good over a yr. not even being kept cold.

You may want to wait for results on pre-mixed HUCOG,
but
if you like the old style, it is still available from their sister site.

....

[Wise Guy]

I have injected 250 iu's of this hucog into my own body as a little test and believe it is potent only by the strong positive reaction I felt from it. I doubt my reaction was placebo - too much energy and happy mood afterwards.

.

Hey PPC!

Interesting points. I have read the hcG diet book and searched the forums on it. Your subjective opinions are in line w/ what many ladies have noted.

I suspect that LH receptors are plentiful in the pituitary of not only men but women as well. I suspect agents that act upon these receptors, such as hCG, will initiate some sort of anabolic response.

This is a little snippet I found w/ a simple search

Human pineal luteinizing hormone receptors

K P Bhatnagar, X Li, Z M Lei and C V Rao*


The presence of luteinizing hormone receptors in human pineal glands from five females and three males, ranging in age from 61-89 yr, was examined by in situ hybridization and immunocytochemistry. The results demonstrated the presence of these receptors at the mRNA and protein levels in all the pineal glands examined. Pineal gland luteinizing hormone receptors could potentially be involved in the regulation of melatonin synthesis.

So even if hcG doesn't exhibit any appreciable increases in steroid hormone levels w/ respect to females, I suspect it has other notable actions - possible increasing levels of other parent hormones, such as pregnenolone, melatonin, etc.

Many ladies who have taken a quality Tribulus extract, which acts upon the LH receptor as well (boosts dopamine too) have noted some anabolic responses.

Great to have you here.

[chilln]

Well I can't do Novarel anymore the new lab that makes it now is doing some thing different to it and it drives my Estradiol levels nuts. I stopped using it 5 days ago and no problems with Estradiol.

I am sitting back waiting to here how the new pre-mixed is going to work out. I still find it hard to believe this can come pre-mixed and be good over a yr. not even being kept cold.

While the HCG may be more potent (good, saves money) the solution is not necessarily to abandon it.

The solution is to:

a) reduce its concentration

and / or

b) reduce your levels of injected testosterone ester (T cyp) to derive more T from testicular production, and less T from the injected T ester.

.

[seekonk]

While the HCG may be more potent (good, saves money) the solution is not necessarily to abandon it.

The solution is to:

a) reduce its concentration

and / or

b) reduce your levels of injected testosterone ester (T cyp) to derive more T from testicular production, and less T from the injected T ester.

.

Or

c) inject less HCG.

[LowT]

I hope you guys are all handling ordering this stuff correctly. hCG is a schedule 3 drug in a fair number of states. There can be serious legal problems for import/possession without a script.

[pmgamer18]

Thanks that was my thinking but I have gone down to 250 IU's and still the same thing and cut back on the number of days I was using it. I need a break for this panic feeling and next Tue my wife is have her knee replaced. So I am just going to stop the HCG until she is OK from her sugary.

I am doing labs in the next two weeks and will see about lowing my dose of T shots.

I can't believe how good this HGH works I don't feel I eat up the T as fast as I use to.

While the HCG may be more potent (good, saves money) the solution is not necessarily to abandon it.

The solution is to:

a) reduce its concentration

and / or

b) reduce your levels of injected testosterone ester (T cyp) to derive more T from testicular production, and less T from the injected T ester.

.

[pmgamer18]

Your right but I am good I have a script.

I hope you guys are all handling ordering this stuff correctly. hCG is a schedule 3 drug in a fair number of states. There can be serious legal problems for import/possession without a script.

[JanSz]

I hope you guys are all handling ordering this stuff correctly. hCG is a schedule 3 drug in a fair number of states. There can be serious legal problems for import/possession without a script.

Most if not all, have a scripts.
Script is not the issue, product quality, shelf life of reconstituted HCG is at issue.

What you can buy at local pharmacy does not really work.
Just listen to problems Phil have using (scripted) Novarel.

There is a multitude of HCG users for a diet reason.

Use of HCG for TRT is probably small fraction of total use.

...

[LowT]

Most if not all, have a scripts.
Script is not the issue, product quality, shelf life of reconstituted HCG is at issue.

What you can buy at local pharmacy does not really work.
Just listen to problems Phil have using (scripted) Novarel.

There is a multitude of HCG users for a diet reason.

Use of HCG for TRT is probably small fraction of total use.

...

I've never had problems with any of the brand name stuff. Phil's problem is what he thinks is high E2...wouldn't that indicate that it was in fact, working very well?

I understand the cost of the name brand stuff is stupid expensive though. I will be trying compounded soon.

Doesn't anewRx offer affordable hCG compounded?

[JanSz]

I've never had problems with any of the brand name stuff. Phil's problem is what he thinks is high E2...wouldn't that indicate that it was in fact, working very well?

I understand the cost of the name brand stuff is stupid expensive though. I will be trying compounded soon.

Doesn't anewRx offer affordable hCG compounded?

If something works better that promised is not a good thing.

In medicine we want just right, no more, no less.

Toyota's are driving so good that you do not even have to press on a gas pedal.

.

..

[Bulldog]

I hope you guys are all handling ordering this stuff correctly. hCG is a schedule 3 drug in a fair number of states. There can be serious legal problems for import/possession without a script.

Where would someone find such a list?

[Bulldog]

I've never had problems with any of the brand name stuff. Phil's problem is what he thinks is high E2...wouldn't that indicate that it was in fact, working very well?

I understand the cost of the name brand stuff is stupid expensive though. I will be trying compounded soon.

Doesn't anewRx offer affordable hCG compounded?

Yes, 5,000iu for $35.

[elzool]

Big surprise, genericrxdrugstore wrote back stating they haven't updated that website and that the Hucog listed there is of the premixed variety as well.

So I'm placing an order now for three of the two part Ovidac 2000 and one of the Hucog 2000 to try.

If I were to ask my doctor to call in a rx to my local pharmacy for bac water, what size container would I ask to have called in? His dosing was 200iu 2x/week.

[PPC]

Hey PPC!

Interesting points. I have read the hcG diet book and searched the forums on it. Your subjective opinions are in line w/ what many ladies have noted.

I suspect that LH receptors are plentiful in the pituitary of not only men but women as well. I suspect agents that act upon these receptors, such as hCG, will initiate some sort of anabolic response.

This is a little snippet I found w/ a simple search

Human pineal luteinizing hormone receptors

K P Bhatnagar, X Li, Z M Lei and C V Rao*


The presence of luteinizing hormone receptors in human pineal glands from five females and three males, ranging in age from 61-89 yr, was examined by in situ hybridization and immunocytochemistry. The results demonstrated the presence of these receptors at the mRNA and protein levels in all the pineal glands examined. Pineal gland luteinizing hormone receptors could potentially be involved in the regulation of melatonin synthesis.

So even if hcG doesn't exhibit any appreciable increases in steroid hormone levels w/ respect to females, I suspect it has other notable actions - possible increasing levels of other parent hormones, such as pregnenolone, melatonin, etc.

Many ladies who have taken a quality Tribulus extract, which acts upon the LH receptor as well (boosts dopamine too) have noted some anabolic responses.

Great to have you here.

Thanks Wise Guy,

I expected to feel very little from that hcg shot. I was completely taken back with the strong positive reaction I felt. I am sure there is much more to it, but the thought occured to me that these people who do the diet are able to be happy on 500 calories simply because they feel an enhanced mind and body experience from the hcg so food is not as neccessary for pleasure....maybe. I was simply happy in myself and found myself not nearly desiring as much my usual rescues and comforts for that 'satisfied' feeling.

But hcg dieters take shots everyday for a number of days, so I imagine the gentle euphoria would diminish a little over the course.

I'll look into tribulus.

[canthavetoomanytoys]

If I were to ask my doctor to call in a rx to my local pharmacy for bac water, what size container would I ask to have called in? His dosing was 200iu 2x/week.

Hospira (aka Abbott) Bact Water is packaged in 30mL vials.

[elzool]

Hospira (aka Abbott) Bact Water is packaged in 30mL vials.

Thanks, I just had the pharmacist tell me that as well.
:D

[JanSz]

http://www.bodyinfluence.com/other-accessories/626-bacteriostatic-water-30ml.html

Your Price!
$4.95

Bacteriostatic Water, 30ml

[Dr. John Crisler]

Hey PPC!

Interesting points. I have read the hcG diet book and searched the forums on it. Your subjective opinions are in line w/ what many ladies have noted.

I suspect that LH receptors are plentiful in the pituitary of not only men but women as well. I suspect agents that act upon these receptors, such as hCG, will initiate some sort of anabolic response.

This is a little snippet I found w/ a simple search

Human pineal luteinizing hormone receptors

K P Bhatnagar, X Li, Z M Lei and C V Rao*


The presence of luteinizing hormone receptors in human pineal glands from five females and three males, ranging in age from 61-89 yr, was examined by in situ hybridization and immunocytochemistry. The results demonstrated the presence of these receptors at the mRNA and protein levels in all the pineal glands examined. Pineal gland luteinizing hormone receptors could potentially be involved in the regulation of melatonin synthesis.

So even if hcG doesn't exhibit any appreciable increases in steroid hormone levels w/ respect to females, I suspect it has other notable actions - possible increasing levels of other parent hormones, such as pregnenolone, melatonin, etc.

Many ladies who have taken a quality Tribulus extract, which acts upon the LH receptor as well (boosts dopamine too) have noted some anabolic responses.

Great to have you here.ANOTHER good reason to always add HCG to your TRT regimen.

It just keeps getting better and better...

[seekonk]

Thanks Wise Guy,

I expected to feel very little from that hcg shot. I was completely taken back with the strong positive reaction I felt.

Damn.

I feel nothing from HCG.

[Bulldog]

http://www.bodyinfluence.com/other-accessories/626-bacteriostatic-water-30ml.html

Your Price!
$4.95

Bacteriostatic Water, 30ml

With our small vials of HCG we will never use all 30ml at one time. How long can you keep these multi dose plastic vials of Bacteriostatic Water after you start using them? I get one with each vial of HCG but have thought about hoarding some of them in case I need to switch suppliers for HCG. So I would want to use up one whole 30ml Bac Water before opening another one if possible. Can you open a new vial, draw water from it to mix with and then let it for a couple months before drawing from it again?

[pmgamer18]

I guess my next question is how many of you out there us Novarel. I don't know if it's stronger or bad I know guys that are having the same problem with the new Novarel I am having Hardasnails is one. I have used this for yrs. now it's made at a new lab in Canada I order a refill from Medco and was told it's not a Generic anymore and my Co-Pay went from $20.00 to $50.00. So I did not order it and called Ferring they told me they are using a new lab to make it and it's not a Generic anymore and told me to look for the T on the Box.

So I order it and when I used it in about 2 hrs. I got dam sick like a hot flash with Panic feelings for me this is from high Estradiol levels. I seen my Dr. told him about this that I was needing to take .5 to 1mg of Arimidex to keep my Estradiol levels down. He told me his other men on Novarel were having the same problem and until I told him I feel it was the new Novarel he did not know why.

He talked to Ferring and was told when the next lot comes out this problem will be fixed. Well it's better but not fixed and it's not me it's the new Novarel.

So tell me if your on it and not having a problem.

I can't see paying for this and having to screw around with it to get it to work. I have cut back on my dose from 400IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots I do every 3 days to 250 IU's and only the day before my next shot. I still have the problem feeling Hot, Sweating and Panic Feelings.

[Bulldog]

I guess my next question is how many of you out there us Novarel. I don't know if it's stronger or bad I know guys that are having the same problem with the new Novarel I am having Hardasnails is one. I have used this for yrs. now it's made at a new lab in Canada I order a refill from Medco and was told it's not a Generic anymore and my Co-Pay went from $20.00 to $50.00. So I did not order it and called Ferring they told me they are using a new lab to make it and it's not a Generic anymore and told me to look for the T on the Box.

So I order it and when I used it in about 2 hrs. I got dam sick like a hot flash with Panic feelings for me this is from high Estradiol levels. I seen my Dr. told him about this that I was needing to take .5 to 1mg of Arimidex to keep my Estradiol levels down. He told me his other men on Novarel were having the same problem and until I told him I feel it was the new Novarel he did not know why.

He talked to Ferring and was told when the next lot comes out this problem will be fixed. Well it's better but not fixed and it's not me it's the new Novarel.

So tell me if your on it and not having a problem.

I can't see paying for this and having to screw around with it to get it to work. I have cut back on my dose from 400IU's the 2 days each in between my T shots I do every 3 days to 250 IU's and only the day before my next shot. I still have the problem feeling Hot, Sweating and Panic Feelings.

Phil, why don't you have your doctor call a script in to ANEWrx for their compounded HCG and give that a try? It is reasonably priced compared to the others, even without insurance.

[pmgamer18]

Thanks when I see him I will ask about this I am sure he is looking to fix this problem with his other men.

Phil, why don't you have your doctor call a script in to ANEWrx for their compounded HCG and give that a try? It is reasonably priced compared to the others, even without insurance.

[elzool]

My pharmacist just called and after asking about the bac. water last night he got pricing from his supplier. He told me one bottle is $12 or for $14 more I can have a case of 25 bottles.

[Steelfan]

With our small vials of HCG we will never use all 30ml at one time. How long can you keep these multi dose plastic vials of Bacteriostatic Water after you start using them? I get one with each vial of HCG but have thought about hoarding some of them in case I need to switch suppliers for HCG. So I would want to use up one whole 30ml Bac Water before opening another one if possible. Can you open a new vial, draw water from it to mix with and then let it for a couple months before drawing from it again?

That's a great question. I've been using the same 30ml since I started using HCG 5 months ago.

[crazycrew]

Does Dr Johns store sell it? If not, maybe they should. You don't need a script for water do you?

[elzool]

I was told you must have a script.

[elzool]

No, it was $12 for a single bottle, but for $14 more I could have a whole case with 25 bottles.
$26 for 25 bottles.

[pmgamer18]

Ebay try this some of the guys get it there.

No, it was $12 for a single bottle, but for $14 more I could have a whole case with 25 bottles.
$26 for 25 bottles.

[Bulldog]

I was told you must have a script.

I think it varies by state.

[elzool]

Wow, never thought to check ebay. I still think that at just over a buck a bottle I'll stick with my pharmacy though.

[Steelfan]

Hmm... I still haven't been able to find anything on how long you can use the Bacteriostatic Water once it's been opened. I see an exp date, but I'm sure that applies to when it's sealed.

Anyone know?

[ssavan01]

I would not press the issue of bacteriostatic water.

I use liquid that comes in the package.
It is saline water.

But it is (possibly) one more reason why 2000iu is what I am buying.
I would not buy 5000iu unless I had no choice.


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My ADC Hucog came with a small bacterostatic water (included in the order but not in the Hucog packaging), they've never done this before but I thought it was an added bonus.

The first time I used it, it gave me an immediate strong stinging sensation upon injecting. I thought it might have been a bad inject and didnt really think anything of it. I did 4 more shots total before putting it together. I believe it was more than likely the bacteriostatic water they included, not sure how that makes any sense, but the second I mixed a new vial with my own bacteriostatic water everything was fine.

[ssavan01]

I think it varies by state.



I believe you do, but there is very little chance of anything ever happening to you if it were caught in the mail. I had a former friend from highschool who used to buy anabolic steroids online for years and had plenty of his orders seized by customs. I;ve talked to some qualified folks about this who say there is a small chance that they could pursue it, but typically with small prescription orders, they are just seized. There are always special cases though.

I am not sure what Schedule class drug HCG is but Im guessing its not classified as a Schedule III. If anything did ever come of it I would present an actual written prescription from my doctor. I am prescribed the medicine, I just fill it elsewhere.

[pmgamer18]

This is a copy of a post by one of the women on the HCG Diet she is using the Pre-Mixed HUCOG.
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I will give my opinion again. I am on my second vial of hcg and I have not once experience hunger of any sort. I am doing subq and the last round I did subq I was doing 175 iu. I was tired alot, weak and constantly battling hunger. I lost 17# and gained it all back and was never able to stabilize.

This round I am doing 150iu. I have had tons of enegry, no hunger, no weakness. I feel great! I still have my bad habits that I am working through, but no hunger. Yesterday I did a skip day and the only hunger I felt was right before dinner time.

I think this is working great! I feel 10X better than I did on my last round!
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I have not had any potency issues. I am doing the hucog 2000iu. I used the powdered hucog before and ovidac. I am doing awesome on the premixed, felt great on the powdered hucog, and hated being on ovidac. However, I think we figured that my dose of 200iu on the ovidac was too high.

[elzool]

I hadn't wanted to be a guinea pig, but I am going to just to find out what works the best for me in my body so I ordered both premix and ovidrel.

My plan is to use the ovidrel first to see how that mixes up and feels and then after that switch to the premix and see how that goes and if it feels any different.

Are there any valid blood tests I could get done while on these to measure anything of importance that might lead to better information for me/us?

[PPC]

This is a copy of a post by one of the women on the HCG Diet she is using the Pre-Mixed HUCOG.
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I will give my opinion again. I am on my second vial of hcg and I have not once experience hunger of any sort. I am doing subq and the last round I did subq I was doing 175 iu. I was tired alot, weak and constantly battling hunger. I lost 17# and gained it all back and was never able to stabilize.

This round I am doing 150iu. I have had tons of enegry, no hunger, no weakness. I feel great! I still have my bad habits that I am working through, but no hunger. Yesterday I did a skip day and the only hunger I felt was right before dinner time.

I think this is working great! I feel 10X better than I did on my last round!
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I have not had any potency issues. I am doing the hucog 2000iu. I used the powdered hucog before and ovidac. I am doing awesome on the premixed, felt great on the powdered hucog, and hated being on ovidac. However, I think we figured that my dose of 200iu on the ovidac was too high.

This is good to see. Thanks for finding it. I think subjective evidence is trickling in enough to make us feel cautiously positive about this new hucog. My husband did another shot this morning and I watched his mood pick up considerably afterward. There are too many variables to hang one's hat on the new hucog due to mood brightening, but things are adding up.

Pmgamer, you seem to be quite sensitive to changes in medications. Your years of experience with hcg would be helpful in distinguishing pros or cons from a trial of this. So maybe you could give it a go for Science sake...your results may help the rest of us out and there's the chance that it will solve your probelm with the new novarel.

[pmgamer18]

Yes I am going to try it and let post about how it works.

This is good to see. Thanks for finding it. I think subjective evidence is trickling in enough to make us feel cautiously positive about this new hucog. My husband did another shot this morning and I watched his mood pick up considerably afterward. There are too many variables to hang one's hat on the new hucog due to mood brightening, but things are adding up.

Pmgamer, you seem to be quite sensitive to changes in medications. Your years of experience with hcg would be helpful in distinguishing pros or cons from a trial of this. So maybe you could give it a go for Science sake...your results may help the rest of us out and there's the chance that it will solve your probelm with the new novarel.

[LowT]

I believe you do, but there is very little chance of anything ever happening to you if it were caught in the mail. I had a former friend from highschool who used to buy anabolic steroids online for years and had plenty of his orders seized by customs. I;ve talked to some qualified folks about this who say there is a small chance that they could pursue it, but typically with small prescription orders, they are just seized. There are always special cases though.

I am not sure what Schedule class drug HCG is but Im guessing its not classified as a Schedule III. If anything did ever come of it I would present an actual written prescription from my doctor. I am prescribed the medicine, I just fill it elsewhere.

As I mentioned above, it is schedule 3 in a fair number of states. Keep it legal folks.

[Bulldog]

As I mentioned above, it is schedule 3 in a fair number of states. Keep it legal folks.

Is there a list somewhere?

[LowT]

Is there a list somewhere?

You'd probably do best to check your state's criminal code and/or pharmaceutical statutes.

I'm not aware of a list, but even if there was I wouldn't trust. Meds without a proper script is still likely a crime even if they aren't scheduled. It's just that scheduled stuff is a felony with lots of jail time behind it.

In my state (PA) hCG is schedule 3. In fact, it's the very first item on the list.

[pmgamer18]

The reason men use ADC and the Diet people is do to the HCG Diet there is a shortage of HCG most of the time. ADC never runs out of it. So when you can't find it and you need it you go to the ADC.

All this stuff about the law I have seen posts about men ordering ED drugs from them for yrs never a problem script or not.

You'd probably do best to check your state's criminal code and/or pharmaceutical statutes.

I'm not aware of a list, but even if there was I wouldn't trust. Meds without a proper script is still likely a crime even if they aren't scheduled. It's just that scheduled stuff is a felony with lots of jail time behind it.

In my state (PA) hCG is schedule 3. In fact, it's the very first item on the list.

[LowT]

The reason men use ADC and the Diet people is do to the HCG Diet there is a shortage of HCG most of the time. ADC never runs out of it. So when you can't find it and you need it you go to the ADC.

All this stuff about the law I have seen posts about men ordering ED drugs from them for yrs never a problem script or not.

It's only a problem if you get caught. ED meds aren't scheduled either.

If it's like $35 compounded, why risk it? What am I missing?

[ssavan01]

It's only a problem if you get caught. ED meds aren't scheduled either.

If it's like $35 compounded, why risk it? What am I missing?


Its not as if we're buying medications that are not prescribed and self dosing them. Many people fill their prescriptions from online pharmacies. As long as you can produce a prescription for the medication and are being treated by a doctor on how to administer the medication, I really don't see the problem.

The ONLY reason I buy online is because I can't find a good pharmacy that doesnt have shortages frequently. Either I buy online or use HCG off and on.

[pmgamer18]

There is a lot more posting about the pre-mixed HCG and how good it's working you can read about it at this link.
http://www.4hcgsuccess.com/for-hcg-success-forums/products--supplies/10029-warning-adc-selling-liquid-hucog?limit=12&start=84

This morning I tried a lower dose shot of my Novarel as per Chilln and it was a 150 IU shot do far I am not having a problem with high levels of Estradiol. I guess this new lab making it is making it dam strong.

So now I am going to try to keep using the Novarel but only doing 150 IU's the day before my next shot. I do a T shot every 3 days and was doing 400 IU's of Novarel the 2 days each in between my T shot.

With this new lab making Novarel it is very strong like 3x's stronger then what the old labs make it.

[Bulldog]

There is a lot more posting about the pre-mixed HCG and how good it's working you can read about it at this link.
http://www.4hcgsuccess.com/for-hcg-success-forums/products--supplies/10029-warning-adc-selling-liquid-hucog?limit=12&start=84

This morning I tried a lower dose shot of my Novarel as per Chilln and it was a 150 IU shot do far I am not having a problem with high levels of Estradiol. I guess this new lab making it is making it dam strong.

So now I am going to try to keep using the Novarel but only doing 150 IU's the day before my next shot. I do a T shot every 3 days and was doing 400 IU's of Novarel the 2 days each in between my T shot.

With this new lab making Novarel it is very strong like 3x's stronger then what the old labs make it.

One would think that with the necessary quality control measures they should have that something like this would not happen.

[pmgamer18]

Yep so would I, when Armour changed there formula the FDA pulled from the market to make them prove it was safe. I would think is you send it out of the country the same would stand.

One would think that with the necessary quality control measures they should have that something like this would not happen.

[crazycrew]

Brought this over from the HCG Success Forum



"I, too, was just told today that ALL shipments from ADC will now be in the new liquid form. This is an email from the owner of ADC:Bharat Serums changed the packing of Hucog 10000 i.u. first and later they changed the packing of 2000 and 5000 as well. I have already asked our web developer to change the image of Hucog.


As i said earlier, the old packing of Hucog contains 1 vial of powder and 1 ampoule of sodium chloride 1 ml and now it is premixed so the size of the vial is 1 ml only. You can mix Bacteriostatic water like earlier. If you are adding 10 ml water with the Hucog, now you can add only 9 ml of water or if you add 10 ml this will also not affect the effectiveness of the product.


Bharat serums add more excipients in HCG to increase the potency level of the product. You can store it between 2◦ - 8◦ C once it opens and for better result it must be consumed within a month.


So, I cannot imagine the manufacturer, Bharat Serums, would shoot themselves in the foot by changing it to a formula that wouldn't be conducive to weight loss, since I'm sure that's their bread and butter right now.

Fran"

[elzool]

I'm looking forward to trying both to see if I notice any difference.

My bac. water came in. Looks like it wasn't $14 more for the case but $14 in total for the case of 25 bottles. This is without insurance.

[Shootist]

I order my sterile water/ syringes and even empty sterile vials from researchsupply in Florida. The prices are good.
Another option for the HCG is bestdiscountpharmacy if the new liquid stuff doesn't work out. They carried 3 or 4 different brands last time I looked.
As for the legality issues I don't order anything from overseas that I'm not already prescribed by my doctor. My father is 70 and orders almost all of his medications from ADC and has done so for a few years now. He'll place a large order every 6 months and is one of ADC's biggest "cheerleaders". On a yearly basis he saves a small fortune.
As for customs.... they're looking for drugs of abuse in these overseas shipments and they know exactly what's contained in your order and if its a abused drug. If they were concerned about your order they would seize it and send you a form letter giving you the option to do nothing and forfeit the shipment or dispute the seizure.
Like someone else said....I would only order something already prescribed by my doctor. There's nothing wrong with filling your prescribed medication elsewhere to save money.

[pmgamer18]

Well I lowered my Dose of Novarel from 400 IU's to 150 IU's and it's working out fine. So the new Novarel is very strong or I don't need a higher dose anymore. Any way I am still taking about .5 mgs of Arimidex a day and I am not going to low I still have good night time and morning wood.

My thinking is going on HGH I don't eat up the Testosterone as fast and so I don't need as much anymore. It's a work in progress but at least I can keep using my Novarel and don't need to order from ADC.

[elzool]

Excellent to hear Phil!
As long as they don't goof around with the formula any more hopefully you'll stay steady again.

[Jeffrey J]

If you don't mind please tell us how that genericrx works out


Big surprise, genericrxdrugstore wrote back stating they haven't updated that website and that the Hucog listed there is of the premixed variety as well.

So I'm placing an order now for three of the two part Ovidac 2000 and one of the Hucog 2000 to try.

If I were to ask my doctor to call in a rx to my local pharmacy for bac water, what size container would I ask to have called in? His dosing was 200iu 2x/week.

[elzool]

While I'll certainly share my reports, please keep in mind this will be my first usage. I've not tried any US name brand products to compare it to.

USPS reports it's in the country and on the way to me. Hopefully not too much longer.

[elzool]

The new phone books are here!
The new phone books are here!

Ahem, I mean, my package of premixed arrived.

Look at how huge those packages are. I mean, it must be big, that ice pack can't really be that tiny can it?

Wait, that really is the size of the cold pack?
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/cp2.jpg

I cannot believe someone actually pays money for those to send them along.
Seems like a waste... oh well.

The package and insert.
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/box1.jpg
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/p1.jpg
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/p2.jpg

Now I just have to read it and understand it by injection day next Sat.

[Jeffrey J]

Wow that's massive how many did you get?


The new phone books are here!
The new phone books are here!

Ahem, I mean, my package of premixed arrived.

Look at how huge those packages are. I mean, it must be big, that ice pack can't really be that tiny can it?

Wait, that really is the size of the cold pack?
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/cp2.jpg

I cannot believe someone actually pays money for those to send them along.
Seems like a waste... oh well.

The package and insert.
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/box1.jpg
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/p1.jpg
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/p2.jpg

Now I just have to read it and understand it by injection day next Sat.

[PPC]

Elzool, I am confused. Yours came with an ice pack? The hucog (new, pre mixed version) that I ordered recently did not arrive with an ice pack. This must be a new thing ADC is doing.

[Bulldog]

The new phone books are here!
The new phone books are here!

Ahem, I mean, my package of premixed arrived.

Look at how huge those packages are. I mean, it must be big, that ice pack can't really be that tiny can it?

Wait, that really is the size of the cold pack?
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/cp2.jpg

I cannot believe someone actually pays money for those to send them along.
Seems like a waste... oh well.

The package and insert.
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/box1.jpg
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/p1.jpg
http://labsysgrp.com/sump/test/p2.jpg

Now I just have to read it and understand it by injection day next Sat.

I don't see anything on that paper that suggests that this new premixed HUCOG can be stored for long term (30 days) use as others have suggested. It also says to discard unused portion which suggests that it is for one time use only.

[canthavetoomanytoys]

The package insert does show Benzyl alcohol as an ingredient. Although the % in not given I would conclude that the mix is bacteriostatic.

[r3drang3r]

"For Intramuscular injection only"

Is that normally how HCG comes, or is this something new that can't be used subq?

[crazycrew]

Did the ice pack work? Shipment time (several days) makes me wonder if it does any good at all. And if it doesn't last till delivery; how much will the upcoming summer heat be a factor?

[Steelfan]

"For Intramuscular injection only"

Is that normally how HCG comes, or is this something new that can't be used subq?

The old Hucog, meaning the non premix version says the same thing. I think pretty much everyone pins their stomach and upper thigh.

[elzool]

The 'ice pack' wasn't of any use since it's about 1x3x.25".
I still can't believe they actually put it in as it seems like a complete waste.

[elzool]

Since the premixed stuff is mixed, I don't need to do anything with it except withdraw 250 units and inject right?

Seems too easy what with all the calculations of the prior mixable kind.

[PPC]

Since the premixed stuff is mixed, I don't need to do anything with it except withdraw 250 units and inject right?

Seems too easy what with all the calculations of the prior mixable kind.

That's what my husband did. Pretty simple.

[seekonk]

Since the premixed stuff is mixed, I don't need to do anything with it except withdraw 250 units and inject right?


Not necessarily.

It would depend on how much water is has been premixed with. What you suggest is only (almost) correct if you have e.g. 5000 IU premixed with 5ml water, or 2000IU premixed with 2ml water, etc, except that then you should withdraw 25 units on the insulin syringe, not 250 units. You get this picture.

[JanSz]

Since the premixed stuff is mixed, I don't need to do anything with it except withdraw 250 units and inject right?

Seems too easy what with all the calculations of the prior mixable kind.

You have got 2000iu with a liquid volume=1mL

This is what I am getting after mixing.

Your picture did not show, so I still do not know if you got it in ampoule (all glass) or in the vial with (with rubber stopper on top).

250iu portion (in your case)=12.5units=0.125cc=0.125mL

When in ampoule,
keep it in refrigirator, when time comes, withdraw 12.5units, then do shot.

When in ampoule,
on a day of first shot,
get 8 syringes ready,
break ampoule, place 12.5units in each syringe,
put 7 syringes into refrigirator
do shot with 8th syringe


..

[seekonk]

That's what my husband did. Pretty simple.

He might be overdosing depending on what exactly you mean he is doing.

[PPC]

He might be overdosing depending on what exactly you mean he is doing.

He gets eight doses out of the 2000 iu vial Each 250 iu dose is 12.5 units on the .5ml syringe. Needle is 29 guage. I think that is okay....hopefully.

[elzool]

This is a vial with a rubber stopper.

JanSz & PPC, thank you both for the dosing information, I appreciate it.

As long as this is refrigerated would I need to prefill the syringes all at once or can I just withdraw as needed at dosing time?

[crazycrew]

Since it is a rubber topped vial you can draw your dose when needed.

[r3drang3r]

Is it required to give Doctors information when ordering from ADC?

[pmgamer18]

Well as it turns out my Arimidex was out of date and not working I was taking up to 1.75 mgs a day and still to high. I ordered some and when It came I took only .25 mgs of it and went to low. So if you have some old Arimidx pitch it it's half life is gone and dose not last 12 hrs. My HGH I feel is helping me to keep my T levels up longer so I only need 150 IU of Novarel any more then this and my E2 levels shoot why up.

It even looks like I might need to lower my T shots dose. But for now all is good.

Well I lowered my Dose of Novarel from 400 IU's to 150 IU's and it's working out fine. So the new Novarel is very strong or I don't need a higher dose anymore. Any way I am still taking about .5 mgs of Arimidex a day and I am not going to low I still have good night time and morning wood.

My thinking is going on HGH I don't eat up the Testosterone as fast and so I don't need as much anymore. It's a work in progress but at least I can keep using my Novarel and don't need to order from ADC.

[may19th2001]

WOW! HCG has many benefits...


ANOTHER good reason to always add HCG to your TRT regimen.

It just keeps getting better and better...

[Steelfan]

Is it required to give Doctors information when ordering from ADC?

No it's not.

[living2die]

It isn't a scheduled drug. This is why the same overseas pharmacies, i.e. all day chemist, pharmacyescrow.com, etc. will carry about 1000x different Rx meds, including HCG, but will not sell scheduled drugs such as xanax, Testosterone, hydrocodone, amphetamine for ADHD, etc.

Furthermore, US Customs are so bogged down with work due to downsizing etc, that US Customs can hardly afford to pursue cases against Americans importing minute quantities of a hormone derived from the urine of pregnant woman.

They got bigger fish to fry...



Is there a list somewhere?