Does anyone know where I can buy a good transdermal DHEA cream online?

[Vic Mackey]

I'm currently taking 50 mg of DHEA daily (25 mg in the morning after eating breakfast and 25 mg in the evening after eating dinner). I would like to start taking either a transdermal DHEA cream or a DHEA sublingual. I read (on this site and others) that taking a transdermal DHEA cream is better than taking DHEA pills because you can just put the cream on once daily and it will keep your levels more stable as opposed to taking a 25 mg pill twice a day (12 hours apart). I also heard that taking DHEA sublingually is also a better alternative than taking pills.

So, does anyone know where I can buy a good transdermal DHEA cream or a good DHEA sublingual online? Dr. Crisler, do you have any suggestions?

[LeanGuy]

We're not allowed to post links but search for "life-flo" brand

[Vic Mackey]

We're not allowed to post links but search for "life-flo" brand

Thanks. I found the product you were talking about. It's $39.95 for a bottle. That's kind of expensive aint it? Can you tell me how I should use this? Right now I'm taking the pill form 50 mg of DHEA daily but one application of this cream is only 25 mg. Should I only use 1 pump or 2? Should I take 1 pump in the morning and 1 pump in the evening or is 1 pump in the morning good enough? Could I put it on my chest everyday? Can I also put this on over my body moisturizers that I use or will they fight for absorption? Should I put it on after showering in the morning?

Any help you (or anyone) could give me would be greatly appreciated.

[Dr. John Crisler]

How about "Right here"?

I'm coming out with a line of DHEA, PREG, DHEA+PREG transdermal creams.

My old pal Scott Spink is heading the project. I think the labels are just about ready. I've just got to finish the instruction sheets.

I'm going to offer both DHEA and PREG at 100mg/mL. We think we'll move enough of it at that concentration to make up the diference for us, and save the guys a bunch.

[garcia]

Wow Dr John! Will these be for patients only or for anyone? Will you ship international?

[bigrugger]

How about "Right here"?

I'm coming out with a line of DHEA, PREG, DHEA+PREG transdermal creams.

My old pal Scott Spink is heading the project. I think the labels are just about ready. I've just got to finish the instruction sheets.

I'm going to offer both DHEA and PREG at 100mg/mL. We think we'll move enough of it at that concentration to make up the diference for us, and save the guys a bunch.

This sounds great.

Would this be available to anyone whose doctor prescribes it, or "OTC"?

[hardasnails1973]

So for people that are taking DHEA TD what is the optimal way for measuring them? Does every one have to have a rhiens test inorder to do this or can a blood test work as well if the gel is applied prior before the test. I mean every time I tried the cream blood levels would not rise at all and paying 225 every time to check to see if it is working is really not realisitic. Now that I finally have e2 under control with out adex what are the advanatages to this. With cholesterol being low could pregenolone creame actually be of some benefit?

What is the feed back on TD dhea and also would DHEA be given to people with severely enlarge prostrates as well since it can potentiate prostate growth..

I'm getting 2/16 4 OHE done and to see what is really going on and then determine what if TD DHEa would be the best route for me. If my ratio is off then this would explain my BPH. Because e2 has never been above 40 for longer then just a few weeks.

[hardasnails1973]

Effects of transdermal application of DHEA on the levels of steroids, gonadotropins and lipids in men.

Sulcová J, Hill M, Hampl R, Masek Z, Novácek A, Ceska R, Stárka L.

Institute of Endocrinology, AREKO, Ltd., First Faculty of Medicine, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic. jsulcova@endo.cz

In order to ascertain the kinetics of absorption and metabolism of transdermally administered dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA), 10 men 29-72 years old (mean 52.4+/-14.5) received 50 mg DHEA/day in a gel applied onto the skin of the abdomen for 5 consecutive days. The objective was to establish the extent to which DHEA influences the levels of gonadotropins, sex hormone-binding globulin and lipids. It was found that DHEA is well absorbed and rapidly metabolized to its sulfate (DHEAS), androstenedione, and consequently to testosterone and estradiol. The DHEA levels that markedly increased after the first doses gradually declined already during the application, and this decline proceeded even after it was discontinued, reaching levels significantly lower than the original ones. On the other hand, the levels of DHEA metabolites (with the exception of DHEAS) rose during the application and reached values significantly higher than the basal ones within 5 weeks. This effect was accompanied by significantly decreased levels of LH. The serum levels of lipids, namely of cholesterol (both HDL and LDL cholesterol), triglycerides, apolipoproteins A-I and B and lipoprotein(a) after DHEA application were not changed significantly, and the atherogenic index (AI) remained unaltered. However, some correlations between hormones and lipids were found. Negative correlations concerned the following indices: DHEA/Lp(a); DHEAS/cholesterol; DHEA, DHEAS, testosterone/TG; testosterone/AI. On the other hand, LH, FSH/cholesterol, FSH, SHBG/LDL cholesterol, FSH/Apo B, Lp(a) correlated positively. It can be concluded that transdermal short-time application of DHEA results in a decrease of endogenous DHEA after finishing the treatment, with a parallel marked increase in the levels of sex hormones. Using this application protocol, exogenous DHEA neither altered the lipid spectrum, nor did it influence the atherogenic index.

What is the average dosage of TD DHEA 15-25 mg applied topically
dhea -S will not rise from TD need to measure dhea serum instead.

[Vic Mackey]

...Will these be for patients only or for anyone?...


...Would this be available to anyone whose doctor prescribes it, or "OTC"?

I would like to know this as well because I would be very interested in buying your product.

[hardasnails1973]

I have used trandermal DHEA in the past and have my free, bio and igf-1 doubled.

Positives
1. It does not convert into estrogens as much as oral dhea
2. It has shown to increase bio T, free T and also igf-1 at 15-25 mgs
3. Gives instant feeling of euphoria with in an hour of application
4. Notice incredible strength gains
5. More increased erections
6. Muscles where alot fuller, more vascular, harder getting pump in the gym
7. Seemed to be easier on prostate enlargement then oral dhea
8. Easy to apply

Negatives
1. It decreased my serum DHEA back to base line of 120 (90-540)
2. Serum blood is not an accurate measure even putting the TD DHEA on 2 hours before blood draw my serum levels did not increase
3. Make it difficult to manage e2 if you have issues because you can never get a good level in the blood because it fluctuates so much.

Over all opinoin
If one could find an accurate way to calibrate the dosage while keeping other hormones in check, track it like an oral preparation.. I see it as huge asset to HRT ..

[Dr. John Crisler]

Wow Dr John! Will these be for patients only or for anyone? Will you ship international?
OTC baby, OTC.

Anywhere it's needed.

[LowT]

OTC baby, OTC.

Anywhere it's needed.

Truly awesome!

[hardasnails1973]

OTC baby, OTC.

Anywhere it's needed.

That is probably one of the best investments you have made and best news I have heard for a while

what is recommended dosage on guys on HRT for TD dhea

[LowT]

How about "Right here"?

I'm coming out with a line of DHEA, PREG, DHEA+PREG transdermal creams.

My old pal Scott Spink is heading the project. I think the labels are just about ready. I've just got to finish the instruction sheets.

I'm going to offer both DHEA and PREG at 100mg/mL. We think we'll move enough of it at that concentration to make up the diference for us, and save the guys a bunch.

Any ETA on your upcoming products? Sounds perfect.

[Drew]

I have used trandermal DHEA in the past and have my free, bio and igf-1 doubled.

Positives
1. It does not convert into estrogens as much as oral dhea
2. It has shown to increase bio T, free T and also igf-1 at 15-25 mgs
3. Gives instant feeling of euphoria with in an hour of application
4. Notice incredible strength gains
5. More increased erections
6. Muscles where alot fuller, more vascular, harder getting pump in the gym
7. Seemed to be easier on prostate enlargement then oral dhea
8. Easy to apply

Negatives
1. It decreased my serum DHEA back to base line of 120 (90-540)
2. Serum blood is not an accurate measure even putting the TD DHEA on 2 hours before blood draw my serum levels did not increase
3. Make it difficult to manage e2 if you have issues because you can never get a good level in the blood because it fluctuates so much.

Over all opinoin
If one could find an accurate way to calibrate the dosage while keeping other hormones in check, track it like an oral preparation.. I see it as huge asset to HRT ..

I've been rather surprised with how much I like my TD preg/dhea. I can confirm that it does give me a nice sense of calm, and my muscles are even a bit fuller. As Hard says, however, beware that your serum DHEA(s) will not go up, and may go down.

[Dr. John Crisler]

I've been rather surprised with how much I like my TD preg/dhea. I can confirm that it does give me a nice sense of calm, and my muscles are even a bit fuller. As Hard says, however, beware that your serum DHEA(s) will not go up, and may go down.If you took oral DHEA, and measured it around 2 hrs later, your serum DHEA may be high, as you are measuring a peak. TD's produce a flatter, more even concentration.

If you took DHEA oral and ran 24 hour urines--which you are not supposed to do--DHEA will rocket up, as it runs out your kidneys and floods the urine with it, and its metabolites.

[chilln]

How about "Right here"?

I'm coming out with a line of DHEA, PREG, DHEA+PREG transdermal creams.

My old pal Scott Spink is heading the project. I think the labels are just about ready. I've just got to finish the instruction sheets.

I'm going to offer both DHEA and PREG at 100mg/mL. We think we'll move enough of it at that concentration to make up the diference for us, and save the guys a bunch.


Too cool for school.

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[smitty4]

OTC baby, OTC.

Anywhere it's needed.

So would one be able to order DHEA cream via the ATM Request system if they do not have a prescription for it? I am very interested in trying it, but don't know whether I need to do a VOV in order to order it.

[hardasnails1973]

I like to hear back from people that are on it and if they are getting e related issues. I prefer to stay off of if there are e related issues Being out adex is a nice of mind for now depends on how long it last. I think using glutamine, bile, and ghrf will help regulate the main issue since higher shbg is reflective of other things such as lack of protein, fats and lower carb diets.

[JanSz]

OTC baby, OTC.

Anywhere it's needed.

Good news, thank you.

This cream may be used by men and women.
It would be a good idea to provide suggested doses for both genders.

...

[Vic Mackey]

Dr. Crisler, when will your DHEA transdermal cream be available for purchase? I'd be interested in buying it.

[hardasnails1973]

bump

[wondering]

I believe it is, but only if you're a patient.

[hardasnails1973]

Wondering,
OTC= any one can purchase it.:blink:

[wondering]

great, didnt read the full thread.

Might be too early to hear back from people , but curious if there is a huge difference felt vs pills. Pills are so much cheaper and I just keep adding supplements and nothing seems to do squat. Doubt this is the magic bullet for me.

Curious, noticed "Thyroid" pills are on the ATM site for sale. Is Dr. J using ERFA? I just started a couple months ago, but I'm not on enough I can tell.

[Vic Mackey]

I believe it is, but only if you're a patient.

OK than, let me rephrase the question. When will Dr. Crislers DHEA transdermal cream be available for purchase over the counter?

[4aminsomniac]

What's the status of this? Don't see it on the web order site yet.


By the way, anybody know how long a tube of Pregnenolone Cream 10% 30mL would last using the recommended dosage?

If I do the math, seem that it is 30mg/mL then right? So if you did 30mg/day, that would be a 30day supply. Of course, my math might be bad..haha..


Thanks

[Vic Mackey]

I'm dying to know when Dr. Crisler will have this available for OTC. Right now I take DHEA in pill form 50 mg daily (25 mg morning and 25 mg evening) so I'm wondering how this would convert to a transdermal dosage.

[cbelling]

What is the difference between and OTC DHEA cream and one that you get via prescription?

[Dr. John Crisler]

We are just waiting to get prices back now.

Working with these manufacturers is a ridiculously long process.

[canthavetoomanytoys]

We are just waiting to get prices back now.

Working with these manufacturers is a ridiculously long process.
Was there a resolution to this?

[bzb]

Checking to see if Dr. C's transdermal DHEA brand is available yet?

[JanSz]

I am using
Pregnenolone 150 mg Micronized Lipid Matrix 60 Scored Tabs #52680

http://www.nutricology.com/files/prods/d_359.jpg
http://www.nutricology.com/Pregnenolone-150-mg-Micronized-Lipid-Matrix-60-Scored-Tabs-p-16624.html


They also make micronized DHEA

DHEA 25 mg Micronized Lipid Matrix 60 Scored Tabs #52820
http://www.nutricology.com/files/prods/d_364.jpg
http://www.nutricology.com/DHEA-25-mg-Micronized-Lipid-Matrix-60-Scored-Tabs-p-16627.html

There are other potencies of those pills.
http://www.nutricology.com/search.php?mode=search&query=micronized
.

[hardasnails1973]

Dr J,
What ever happened with coming out with DHEA OTC TD.. update?