Ban salt to save lives, restaurants in New York told

[brandO]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ban-salt-to-save-lives-restaurants-in-new-york-told-1920093.html

[Drew]

I've never heard of Felix Ortiz, but in general I'm completely disgusted with this bill. I do agree we probably consume too much refined sodium chloride, but natural salt (especially sea salt) is very good for us. In fact, when salt was traded it was as valuable as gold.

[EIC]

We have too many laws as it is.

[agoraphobe]

I've never heard of Felix Ortiz, but in general I'm completely disgusted with this bill. I do agree we probably consume too much refined sodium chloride, but natural salt (especially sea salt) is very good for us. In fact, when salt was traded it was as valuable as gold.

why would sea salt be good for us?

as far as i know the only nutritive value of salt comes from the iodine its artificially fortified with

if salt is indeed making people hypertensive, it's literally killing them.

salt seems like hydrogenated transfats, something food manufacturers at all levels add purely for convenience with potentially devastating consequences if the salt & hypertension link proves to be true

[LowT]

So since I have low renin/aldosterone I guess I get to be a "salt outlaw"?

[n00bs]

your body canot sustian funciton without sodium without it you would die..

They should be outlawing refined sugar and flour before salt..

[crazycrew]

They should be outlawing refined sugar and flour before salt..

Surely those are next along with any meats with more than 2 percent fat. There will be a task force soon going from house to house to insure compliance. We must have a government willing to look after us and tell us what to do.

[Dr. John Crisler]

So since I have low renin/aldosterone I guess I get to be a "salt outlaw"?They're coming to take you away!!!

[Dr. John Crisler]

Remember recently when a study came out that eating salt does NOT increase blood pressure? That is because the kidneys have a remarkable ability to excrete--or RETAIN (the real point here) sodium.

So when one restricts salt, the kidneys just ramp up their sodium retention, and it's a wash.

It also means if one gets a whallop of sodium (like from a momentary foray into a salty food experience) they blow up from it. It takes days for the kidneys to dial things down.

But remember when the conventional medical community jumped all over that study?! They just can't have real science getting in the way of their egos!

It would have been better for them to remember the renal function section of the Physiology course they took as undergrads.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Where are people supposed to get their iodine then?

This is what happens when politicians think they are medical experts. This is what happens to EVERYTHING politicians touch.

Look what they have done to Growth Hormone Replacement Therapy.

And when is the American Cancer Society going to start recommending iodine supplementation to help prevent cancer? The studies saying they should are profound. Hint: not as long as they get so much funding from the pharmaceutical industry.

[pmgamer18]

I have to add Sea Salt to my Water 3x's a day 1/2 tsp my body dumps my sodium do to my Adrenals not working right.
Read this link.
http://www.eaec.org/bookstore/books/sywth-excerpt.htm

why would sea salt be good for us?

as far as i know the only nutritive value of salt comes from the iodine its artificially fortified with

if salt is indeed making people hypertensive, it's literally killing them.

salt seems like hydrogenated transfats, something food manufacturers at all levels add purely for convenience with potentially devastating consequences if the salt & hypertension link proves to be true

[Dr. John Crisler]

Politicians clearly think more of garnering publicity that "they are doing something about it" than they do about serving the best interests of the people.

Notice how, everytime they hold hearings on somethig pertaining to our health, they only bring in "experts" who against what we do? Bought and paid for.

[Wise Guy]

We have too many laws as it is.

this

[agoraphobe]

this is a good slideshow that reviews some of the evidence

http://www.slideshare.net/rhanneman/salt-and-cardiovascular-mortality

the case for salt and hypertension in the general population doesn't seem very strong but the methods for data collection also suck (self surveys and epidemiology etc)

but, it is an unnecessary additive we consume in obscene, unnatural quantities now with multiple mechanisms of action that _may_ be causing early mortality among some % of the population

the book 'the end of overeating' by david kessler that came out last year talked a lot about salts role in disregulating appetite and it's ability to permanently rewire your brain chemistry in high quantities, especially when combined with high quantities of sugar and fat together, which it often is in baked goods, etc

it's another thing like sugar we're simply not adapted to eating in the quantities we're suddenly eating it in, and which is very easy to eat large amounts of without even realizing it

all things considered it doesn't seem outrageous to me to treat it the same as transfats, although i agree it is fairly silly to target it exclusively giving flour and sugar a free pass which may be the two single biggest causes of our health problems right now

[GirlyMan]

all things considered it doesn't seem outrageous to me to treat it the same as transfats,...

It does me. While the evidence that you should limit your salt intake if you're already hypertensive is strong, the evidence that salt consumption in some way contributes to hypertension is not.

[agoraphobe]

It does me. While the evidence that you should limit your salt intake if you're already hypertensive is strong, the evidence that salt consumption in some way contributes to hypertension is not.


around 70 million people in america are already hypertensive

[Dr. John Crisler]

It does me. While the evidence that you should limit your salt intake if you're already hypertensive is strong, the evidence that salt consumption in some way contributes to hypertension is not.Drawing the conclusion eating salt leads to hyperetension later in life because those who have hypertension tended to eat more salt is putting the cart in front of the horse.

Maybe those who will develop hypertension were just hungrier for salt along the way. Cause and effect is not in effect.

[Mike Peck]

About as awsome as the im fat need to tax the soda now tax.. whats next really tax the internet cause we get fat playing video games all night..

[GirlyMan]

around 70 million people in america are already hypertensive

The bulk of the evidence suggests they should restrict their sodium intake. For everyone else, make your own call. Me, I like salt, and there are a shit load of delicious varieties out there to try.

[brandO]

They should try restricting there sugar intake before the salt....

[Drew]

As I said earlier, this is pretty wrong. But one needs to consider natural unrefined salt vs. sodium chloride. The latter is more likely to raise BP. Just something to think about when cooking.

[Dr. John Crisler]

The bulk of the evidence suggests they should restrict their sodium intake. For everyone else, make your own call. Me, I like salt, and there are a shit load of delicious varieties out there to try.Not true.

There is a difference between rational salt use and salt restriction.

[Dadnatron]

This is 'feel good' legislation. Nothing more nothing less. It is Government seeing what 'they' perceive as a problem, and feeling compelled to 'fix' it.

When you are a hammer....

[Dr. John Crisler]

Gee, do you think the new study proving salt restriction INCREASES death risk will have any impact on this legislation?

NAH.....

[Kronos]

Gee, do you think the new study proving salt restriction INCREASES death risk will have any impact on this legislation?

NAH.....

Not unless there is some type of Salt Producers lobbying group to pay a Politician to give a damn...