For Those Wanting to be Cared For By Me

[Dr. John Crisler]

This is our standard new patient letter. It will answer many of your questions; however, you are always welcome to contact us by email or phone with questions not covered, or to schedule an appointment. We hope to see you soon!

In order for Dr. Crisler to dispense medical advice or treatment you MUST be a part of our practice. There are three ways to become a patient:
1. If you are local you may simply schedule an appointment.
2. If you are out of state, you may schedule a day trip.
3. If you don't want to make the trip, you may have your primary care provider consult with Dr. Crisler. Additional information below.

If you choose to schedule a day trip, we recommend that you fly into Lansing's Capital City Airport (LAN), which is only 15 minutes from our office. Our recommended cab company is S-cabs, best rate in Lansing, and their number is (517)374-5500. We've attached a list of recommended places to stay and things to do if you will be staying overnight. A great source for current events, including where to dine, can be found at www.thehub@lsj.com .

To expedite your time in the Waiting Room, you can visit our website at www.AllThingsMale.com and go to Online Forms. Print and fill out the Medical History form and the Consent to Treat form and forward them to us via fax or mail. You may bring them with you as well. The Consultation can take as long as 1 and 1 1/2 hours, and the cost is $495.

Payment for consultations is made in advance, when the appointment is scheduled, using our automated system www.ATMRequest.com.

Although we like to be as flexible as possible, we must require at least 24 hours notice if you need to cancel or change your appointment. As with all doctor's offices these days, there is a 'No Show Fee" otherwise. Emergencies are handled on a case by case basis. If you are driving, and get stuck in traffic or face terribly inclement weather, PLEASE do not stress over it or speed. But do call the office so we don't worry about you.

DO NOT forward lab previous labwork. Just bring it with you; Dr. Crisler will go over it at the time of your meeting, then decide which parts he wants to add to your permanent medical file here.

Preliminary lab-work need not be done. Dr. Crisler has his own set of labs tailored to your specific needs. However, any records that you feel are pertinent to your current health may be forwarded, or brought with you.

As far as insurance coverage goes, we do not accept insurance here in the office for Dr. Crisler’s services. We do provide you with a receipt that you may submit to your insurance company. Most of our patients report that their labwork and prescriptions are covered, depending on their individual coverage and provider.

A lab-work requisition form will be sent home with you after your visit, and the tests ordered may be performed at your lab of choice. Any prescription(s) may be filled at the pharmacies that we use, or may also be sent with you to be filled at your pharmacy of choice.

Follow up care will be scheduled accordingly. The cost of a follow-up visit is $60 (in person or virtual). Follow up care may be face-to-face for local patients, or virtual (via telephone) for those of who are out of state. Please note that Virtual Office Visits are available only after an initial face to face consultation in our office. Follow up care for those being served on a consultation basis is done through your local physician.

Virtual Office Visits (VOV’s) allow Dr. Crisler and yourself to discuss your lab results, and treatment regimen. Payment for a VOV is $60 as well, and may be paid through our automated system www.ATMRequest.com. We accept Mastercard and Visa or a check if you prefer.

CONSULTING FOR YOUR LOCAL DOCTOR

In order to treat you virtually without an in house initial consultation, Dr. Crisler will need to go through your local primary care physician, Urologist, Endocrinologist, etc. This can be done by having your local doctor call and confer with Dr. Crisler about your situation. If your doctor is willing, you may be able to set up a conference call so that you could be a part of the initial consultation as well. Please know we make every effort to streamline service for your local doctor. They really seem to appreciate this.

All conversations, recommendations, labs, etc. would be copied to you. Once your primary care physician is working with us, you may go ahead and fill out the Medical History form and the Consent to Treat form and forward these two forms so that we may start a file for you here.

You will also need to fill out and forward the same Medical History form. Even though it is much more work for Dr. Crisler, we charge the same $495 as Consultation Fee. All labs and prescriptions will have to be written by your primary care doctor per Dr. Crisler's recommendations. Follow up care from Dr. Crisler will be charged as an office visit, again the same of $60 per appointment.


If you have any further questions, feel free to contact us at PatientCare@ATMantiaging.com, or phone the office, (517)485-4424.

Be Well!

John Crisler DO PLLC
All Things Male

[Dr. John Crisler]

...but travel is an issue:

Please remember, I am always available on a "Consultation" basis.

An advantage is your local doctor learns about this stuff, and will perhaps then treat other men as well. We can become a "force multiplier" for men's health that way.

[CubbieBlue]

I may be going this route with you shortly.

How does this work exactly?

$500 initially, and then you contact my doctor?

If my doctor wants to follow up with you does your office just send me a bill for $60 each time?

[JanSz]

...but travel is an issue:

Please remember, I am always available on a "Consultation" basis.

An advantage is your local doctor learns about this stuff, and will perhaps then treat other men as well. We can become a "force multiplier" for men's health that way.

Excellent explanation.

In a future, you may want to consider publishing (on your web site) a list of doctors that you have (successfully) trained.

...

[Lucky1]

...but travel is an issue:

Please remember, I am always available on a "Consultation" basis.

An advantage is your local doctor learns about this stuff, and will perhaps then treat other men as well. We can become a "force multiplier" for men's health that way.

Dr. John, I have Blue Cross, would this be covered under my insurance???

[Lucky1]

Excellent explanation.

In a future, you may want to consider publishing (on your web site) a list of doctors that you have (successfully) trained.

...

GOOD idea!!!

[Dadoo]

...but travel is an issue:

Please remember, I am always available on a "Consultation" basis.

An advantage is your local doctor learns about this stuff, and will perhaps then treat other men as well. We can become a "force multiplier" for men's health that way.

Great!

Is there a way to solve the prescription problem, if a patient comes from Germany?

...

[JanSz]

Great!

Is there a way to solve the prescription problem, if a patient comes from Germany?

...

You do not have such a problem to solve.

You have to first find out a local doctor who will promise to follow (forewer) dr John's recommendations.
That includes all recommended tests and scripts for any medications.

.......

[diesiel]

You do not have such a problem to solve.

You have to first find out a local doctor who will promise to follow (forewer) dr John's recommendations.
That includes all recommended tests and scripts for any medications.

.......

good luck.

Alot of doctors have ego's the size of the planet

[JanSz]

good luck.

Alot of doctors have ego's the size of the planet

After this "small" problem is overcomed,
there should be a smooth sailing.

What I am afraid of is that the local doctor may renege on his promise after patient is out $500 on initial consultation w dr John.

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[GirlyMan]

Hmmm ... I've already discussed this with my Doc and he indicated he was amenable. He appreciates the potential utility of both HCG and AIs in TRT but, as a Primary Care General Practitioner, he is understandably reluctant to prescribe either. And until complications arise from traditional TRT (Androgel), neither of us think they are necessarily warranted. But when the complications occur (are they inevitable?), you (or someone like you) is gonna get a phone call. Thanks!

[pcgizzmo]

Dr. John,

Would you have a phone conversation w/out another Dr. present? No prescribing etc.. but just giving opinion/advice? If so, I assume the normal phone rates would apply. Thanks...

[wondering]

I'm gonna throw my own experience in here and suggest that you either be present with your Dr. when the consult occurs (is that ok Dr. J ?) or at least Dr. J has a document listing all treatments/meds that you are receiving at the time so he knows this when he looks at your labs.

My Rheins came back with high DHEA, so question back was ...are you taking too much DHEA...when I was on none. The issue was I had Adrenal fatigue.

Just ones mans experience.



...but travel is an issue:

Please remember, I am always available on a "Consultation" basis.

An advantage is your local doctor learns about this stuff, and will perhaps then treat other men as well. We can become a "force multiplier" for men's health that way.

[crazycrew]

...but travel is an issue:

Please remember, I am always available on a "Consultation" basis.

An advantage is your local doctor learns about this stuff, and will perhaps then treat other men as well. We can become a "force multiplier" for men's health that way.

Schedule one on one time during airport layovers. No reason to have any wasted time.:biggrin:

Sooo,,, when ya going to be at DFW??

[Dr. John Crisler]

I may be going this route with you shortly.

How does this work exactly?

$500 initially, and then you contact my doctor?

If my doctor wants to follow up with you does your office just send me a bill for $60 each time?
Fees are the same, even though it's much more work for me.

I serve your local doctor, in the fine tradition as consulting physician.

Patient pays us directly. This saves work for the local doctor.

A conference call, with the patient in his local doctor's exam room is th eway to go. The local doctor's also usually have a pretty good time, as it's very positive, and tends to break up their day.

Besides, I just plain like meeting more open-minded physicians around the world.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Excellent explanation.

In a future, you may want to consider publishing (on your web site) a list of doctors that you have (successfully) trained.

...Due to my work at A4M and LEF, as well as direct consultations and physician patients, that would be thousands--all over the world.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Dr. John,

Would you have a phone conversation w/out another Dr. present? No prescribing etc.. but just giving opinion/advice? If so, I assume the normal phone rates would apply. Thanks...
No phone charges. That is the plan we contract each month with the phone company.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Dr. John, I have Blue Cross, would this be covered under my insurance???For your local doctor, perhaps.

I do not accept insurance for my own services.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Great!

Is there a way to solve the prescription problem, if a patient comes from Germany?

...
They can do what they want to for their medications. And their own local doctor can prescribe, of course.

[JanSz]

Due to my work at A4M and LEF, as well as direct consultations and physician patients, that would be thousands--all over the world.

Great news,
please publish their names and location
it will help many that are unable to make a trip to a Man Cave.



.

[wondering]

I think he meant...do you provide educational calls, for a fee, directly to a patient without actually establishing Dr./patient relationship.


No phone charges. That is the plan we contract each month with the phone company.

[hebsie]

A conference call, with the patient in his local doctor's exam room is th eway to go. The local doctor's also usually have a pretty good time, as it's very positive, and tends to break up their day.

Besides, I just plain like meeting more open-minded physicians around the world.

...how do you find the actual scheduling of appts/timing of appts working out? I fully understand how a busy doctor can 'run late', so trying to coordinate two doctors for say a 3PM call, well wouldn't that be tough? And is it VOV or telephone?

[Dr. John Crisler]

...how do you find the actual scheduling of appts/timing of appts working out? I fully understand how a busy doctor can 'run late', so trying to coordinate two doctors for say a 3PM call, well wouldn't that be tough? And is it VOV or telephone?My staff is pretty good at it.

I always break in for a physician's call.

[andy09]

No phone charges. That is the plan we contract each month with the phone company.

Hello Dr. John,
Does it mean I can take benefits from your consultations (I pay $500) over phone without needing to travel and without a doctor present. I am from India.
But during the consultation you opine about what I should take and how and that I can get as prescription from my local doc.

Please explain. If this is alright I will pay now. Thanks.

[Dr. John Crisler]

I think he meant...do you provide educational calls, for a fee, directly to a patient without actually establishing Dr./patient relationship.I don't see how that would work without giving direct medical advice.

I know there are some other doctors doing that on the Internet, in order to make money. It's still illegal.

As far as my education on the subject, that is what this forum is for. We need to get some lectures of mine on here--IF you can stand my very bad jokes included.

[Dr. John Crisler]

...how do you find the actual scheduling of appts/timing of appts working out? I fully understand how a busy doctor can 'run late', so trying to coordinate two doctors for say a 3PM call, well wouldn't that be tough? And is it VOV or telephone?We bend over backwards to serve the referring physician.

It always seems to work out.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Hello Dr. John,
Does it mean I can take benefits from your consultations (I pay $500) over phone without needing to travel and without a doctor present. I am from India.
But during the consultation you opine about what I should take and how and that I can get as prescription from my local doc.

Please explain. If this is alright I will pay now. Thanks.International patients are a completely different matter than US citizens.

I can accept all international patients for phone consultations.

You will need to find a way to procure needed labs and medications, though. I also work with many other doctors from foreign countries.

You must provide a copy of identification to properly demonstrate your country of residence.

[JanSz]

International patients are a completely different matter than US citizens.

I can accept all international patients for phone consultations.

You will need to find a way to procure needed labs and medications, though. I also work with many other doctors from foreign countries.

You must provide a copy of identification to properly demonstrate your country of residence.

This post clarifies a lot, thank you.

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I did not realized that you can treat this way.
I always thought that international patients would always had to use their own doctor for consultations or travel to Lansing MI.


..

[MarcMichaud]

I just visited Dr. Crisler today and I was very impressed. I recommend him for anyone having hormonal problems.

I've had it pretty rough for almost a year now and after my first visit, I really feel like he is going to fix me up like new.

He is very knowledgeably and genuinely cares for his patients.

Don't waste your time going from Doc to Doc and getting nowhere. Go to ATM!

Thank you Dr. Crisler!

- Marc M

[Bulldog]

This post clarifies a lot, thank you.

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I did not realized that you can treat this way.
I always thought that international patients would always had to use their own doctor for consultations or travel to Lansing MI.


..
I think this is the key though Jan.


International patients are a completely different matter than US citizens.

I can accept all international patients for phone consultations.

You will need to find a way to procure needed labs and medications, though. I also work with many other doctors from foreign countries.

You must provide a copy of identification to properly demonstrate your country of residence.

It looks like they will still need their local doctor to be on board or they are not going to be able to get the necessary labs or meds.

[mouk]

Without access to an excellent compounding pharmacy , it would be difficult to do transdermal T, in the long run even with the help of a doc willing to write scripts for lab tests and meds, as advised by Dr J.

Maybe an international compounding pharmacy for non US ATM members ...

But for me that's some hope to get cared by Dr J., though i am not so fluent in English, on phone.

[musulman]

How does it work if youare in the UK and want to be cared for by Dr John. Could i somehow get the NHS to foot the bill for his scripts? Is there anywhere that will run tests privately without dr referral?
Anyone using dr John from the UK?

[JanSz]

I think this is the key though Jan.



It looks like they will still need their local doctor to be on board or they are not going to be able to get the necessary labs or meds.

I think in some places you just go to lab, pay $, and tell them what you want.

South America, Thailand comes to mind.

People go to Thailand to do serious surgeries (for pennies on the $$).

But that is a one time deal.

With TRT one cannot take 2 weeks vacation and go to Thailand.
.........

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Breast lift 4,000-4,500 2,600
Breast reduction 4,000-4,500 2,900
Buttock implant 4,000-5,000 4,000
Buttock lift 4,000-5,000 2,400
Cheek implant 2,000-2,500 1,200
Chin augmentation 1,700-2,000 700
Blepharoplasty 2,500-3,000 540
Facelift 4,500-5,000 2,400
Forehead lift 2,500-3,000 1,400
Nose reshaping 3,500-4,000 1,200
Liposuction 2,500-3,000 1,200
Tummy tuck 4,500-5,500 3,000
Vaginal rejuvenation 2,000-2,500 350-1,200
Hair transplant 4,000-4,500 1,000-2,000


Dental procedures

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Cleaning 100-300 25-50
Tooth whitening 800-1,200 100
Tooth bleaching 350 - 500 150
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I bet there is a way to send to them blood or urine samples (from any place on the world, including UK and USA and get results.
Lets figure out how to do it.

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[josh]

International patients are a completely different matter than US citizens.

I can accept all international patients for phone consultations.

You will need to find a way to procure needed labs and medications, though. I also work with many other doctors from foreign countries.

You must provide a copy of identification to properly demonstrate your country of residence.

Oh, hi Dr John, I think you'll be hearing from me in a few months time.
This is excellent news.
Would you do a three-way with my Doc? :glare:

Here I was looking at airfares :ack2:

[hebsie]

Oh, hi Dr John, I think you'll be hearing from me in a few months time.
This is excellent news.
Would you do a three-way with my Doc? :glare:

Here I was looking at airfares :ack2:

...haha, not the first time he's been asked this, right Doc!?! :sifone: :thumbup:

[andy09]

Hello Dr. John,

I have sent you an email

[Dr. John Crisler]

Dr. John,

Would you have a phone conversation w/out another Dr. present? No prescribing etc.. but just giving opinion/advice? If so, I assume the normal phone rates would apply. Thanks...That is a question which comes up some times.

I could probably give ten minutes for a VOV fee. But I would not be able to properly evaluate the case in its entirety. And that bothers me because of my anal retentive nature with this stuff. LOL

[Dr. John Crisler]

Schedule one on one time during airport layovers. No reason to have any wasted time.:biggrin:

Sooo,,, when ya going to be at DFW??I have done VOV's from airports, using the cool technology Ryan hooked up.

Just showing off!

[Dr. John Crisler]

This post clarifies a lot, thank you.

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I did not realized that you can treat this way.
I always thought that international patients would always had to use their own doctor for consultations or travel to Lansing MI.


..BTW, we check ID's.

[Dr. John Crisler]

I think this is the key though Jan.



It looks like they will still need their local doctor to be on board or they are not going to be able to get the necessary labs or meds.In many countries citizens may walk in and order labs, or buy meds, at will.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Without access to an excellent compounding pharmacy , it would be difficult to do transdermal T, in the long run even with the help of a doc willing to write scripts for lab tests and meds, as advised by Dr J.

Maybe an international compounding pharmacy for non US ATM members ...

But for me that's some hope to get cared by Dr J., though i am not so fluent in English, on phone.I have worked through translators before, if that helps.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Oh, hi Dr John, I think you'll be hearing from me in a few months time.
This is excellent news.
Would you do a three-way with my Doc? :glare:

Here I was looking at airfares :ack2:How do you mean that?

LOL

[ptm82379]

In many countries citizizens may walk in and order labs, or buy meds, at will.

That would be nice...

[Bulldog]

That would be nice...

Sure would.

[ptm82379]

Sure would.

...yes I would like 3 vials of HMG and 3 vials of GH please...oh yeah brand name is fine...

[Wise Guy]

...yes I would like 3 vials of HMG and 3 vials of GH please...oh yeah brand name is fine...

That will be 3 thousand dollars, thank you :biggrin:

Can't blame him for not selling those products, LOL. I'd imagine hmG is collecting dust on shelves everywhere.

[Bulldog]

That will be 3 thousand dollars, thank you :biggrin:

Can't blame him for not selling those products, LOL. I'd imagine hmG is collecting dust on shelves everywhere.

I doubt it. If it were then they would be selling it cheap to get rid of it before it exceeds its shelf life.

I'm still hoping to see generic Arimidex available for purchase soon.

[Hemochromatosis]

Just an FYI: I went to a HRT Doctor in the BodyLogic network.

The follow up visit rate was over double Dr. Johns at $275/half hour.

[josh]

Just an FYI: I went to a HRT Doctor in the BodyLogic network.

The follow up visit rate was over double Dr. Johns at $275/half hour.

Kidney specialist (rude+arrogant) charged me $550 for half an hour, and $250 for a 10 minute follow up that I thought was going to be free. His advice was to drink red bull if I'm tired.
wtf?

I wish I had more T in my system so I could tell him where to go with his invoice.

Edit: My 500th post! yay!

[Dr. John Crisler]

Just an FYI: I went to a HRT Doctor in the BodyLogic network.

The follow up visit rate was over double Dr. Johns at $275/half hour.My student.

[Wise Guy]

My student.

Oh snap!

[Dr. John Crisler]

Oh snap!
I never actually knew what that meant. Can ya help 'Ol Doc out?

[hebsie]

I never actually knew what that meant. Can ya help 'Ol Doc out?

...you need to bookmark Urban Dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=oh%20snap) Doc. Some days, it's the only thing that keeps me communicating with my teenage niece and nephew!...hebs :biggrin:


OH SNAP
(exclamatory phrase) a playful indication of surprise, misfortune, or insult popularized by Tracy Morgan of Saturday Night Live, OH SNAP is seemingly derivative of oh no you didn't where an insulted person, for example a guest of Jerry Springer or often a spunky African American woman contends the insult being made against him/her. While derivative of "oh no you di-int," OH SNAP has more of an emphasis on playfulness and can be said by people other than those being insulted.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Thanks, Bro.

But I would hasten to add, no actual insult was intended.

[hebsie]

Thanks, Bro.

But I would hasten to add, no actual insult was intended.

...of course! :biggrin:

[matttaylor]

I read thru this thread, I can utilize Dr. J services via my own doctor here in town , so I never meet Dr J?. No need for examination I guess?. Blood tests is enough to go on?
My current doc is willing to work with dr John I am sure, My current doctor listens to me and the suggestions from this site. If working long distance with my doc and dr John save me a trip that is great. my doctor is an Holistic doc

dr fred bloem in Maryland

[claymore]

Dr. Crisler I needed to talk to you personally whenever you have a chance, I spoke with one of your staff members last week (I think his name was ryan ??) anyway if you have a direct line or an e-mail I could reach you at I would appreciate it. Thanks and look forward to speaking with you.

[josh]

Dr. Crisler I needed to talk to you personally whenever you have a chance, I spoke with one of your staff members last week (I think his name was ryan ??) anyway if you have a direct line or an e-mail I could reach you at I would appreciate it. Thanks and look forward to speaking with you.

That ain't going to happen.
Call and book an appointment.
He has free phone consultations for those considering lipo surgery.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Dr. Crisler I needed to talk to you personally whenever you have a chance, I spoke with one of your staff members last week (I think his name was ryan ??) anyway if you have a direct line or an e-mail I could reach you at I would appreciate it. Thanks and look forward to speaking with you.
If you have a medical issue, then please schedule and appointment.

My staff handles all other communications.

[claymore]

If you have a medical issue, then please schedule and appointment.

My staff handles all other communications.


No medical issue at all, was trying to get a group rate for somewhere in the range of 10-12 people and just wanted to discuss the details with you briefly.

[Dr. John Crisler]

No medical issue at all, was trying to get a group rate for somewhere in the range of 10-12 people and just wanted to discuss the details with you briefly.Please PM me.

[claymore]

Please PM me.

I can't find the "PM" option on your profile ??

[Dr. John Crisler]

I can't find the "PM" option on your profile ??
If you left click on my name, you get the option.

Now you have gone to the ultimate limit of my IT skills! LOL

[3rdocagt]

Hey Dr C.

I'm in the process of fine-tuning the date of our 1st office visit. Is the sequence as follows?

1. 1st office visit.
2. sent home with lab work requisitions.
3. lab work sent to ATM.
4. VOV set up to go over labs.
5. scripts needed given to patient.

or are the scripts given to the patient after the 1st office visit?

I ask because my current scripts for TRT (w/ another Doc) are finished by Sept 11. If scripts are given only after #5 above I need to schedule earlier that I previously thought. Set up airline tickets etc.

Thank you in advance.

Aloha for now.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Hey Dr C.

I'm in the process of fine-tuning the date of our 1st office visit. Is the sequence as follows?

1. 1st office visit.
2. sent home with lab work requisitions.
3. lab work sent to ATM.
4. VOV set up to go over labs.
5. scripts needed given to patient.

or are the scripts given to the patient after the 1st office visit?

I ask because my current scripts for TRT (w/ another Doc) are finished by Sept 11. If scripts are given only after #5 above I need to schedule earlier that I previously thought. Set up airline tickets etc.

Thank you in advance.

Aloha for now.Every case is different. It depends upon the pre-existing diagnosis and previous labwork.

[3rdocagt]

Hey Dr. C

Thanks for that quick response.

Ok let's say I will be given the scripts after #5 in my previous post.

How many days/weeks could I expect the elapsed time from #1 to #5 would be?

Thank you in advance, again.

Aloha for now.

[Bulldog]

Hey Dr. C

Thanks for that quick response.

Ok let's say I will be given the scripts after #5 in my previous post.

How many days/weeks could I expect the elapsed time from #1 to #5 would be?
Thank you in advance, again.

Aloha for now.

In my experience (with Quest Diagnostics) it takes about 3 weeks from the day you get your labs drawn until you have your VOV.

[Dr. John Crisler]

In my experience (with Quest Diagnostics) it takes about 3 weeks from the day you get your labs drawn until you have your VOV.That is why every other doctor (who runs specialty labs which must be farmed out) schedules the next office visit at least a month out.

When the labs come back, my staff calls and sets the appointment ASAP.

Heck, docs who run just regular labs schedule a month out. And Endo's like to wait about three months, from what we have seen.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Hey Dr. C

Thanks for that quick response.

Ok let's say I will be given the scripts after #5 in my previous post.

How many days/weeks could I expect the elapsed time from #1 to #5 would be?

Thank you in advance, again.

Aloha for now.I can only tell you again: all is situation specific.

[3rdocagt]

GM Dr. C:

Thanks again. I'll set up appt for 6-7 wks prior to finishing up the old meds.

Looking forward to the 1st appt.

Aloha for now.


PS thanks for the heads up Bulldog.

[00slotiv]

Here is a way for someone to get a free round trip ticket from anywhere in the USA to see Doctor John in Lansing Michigan. Distance is often mentioned as a deterrent but I wanted to share something that I just signed up for.

This is called a mileageplus card from Visa connected with United Airlines.

After applying and getting approved, you need to charge 250 dollars before getting sent 25,000 miles which means you get a free flight to anywhere in the country. It will not show up on your statement.

You will have to pay taxes.

You have to keep the card six months and charge at least something to it each month. After that it is my understanding you can cancel the card.

When you charge using this card and accumulate 25,000 miles (one point per mile) then you get another free flight round trip to anywhere in the country. By signing up another person to receive a card (I chose my mother) you get 5000 points for that. Any charges they make on their card will accrue to you, the primary card holder.

They told me that anything you can charge with a regular Visa Card of Mastercard you can charge to this. Subsequent flights, hotels, food, clothes, medical bills, etc...I can charge most of my expenses except my apartment rent. I can even charge my church giving for example because they are set up for that.

I can order football tickets for people here through our University's ticket office (donor rights) and charge them and get points for that without spending a dime. I hope to get a free flight every year.

Here is some information for you to look into if you have questions or are interested.

Chase 1-800-537-7783
United Reservations 1-800-864-8331

https://www.thatsaplus.com/MPSignatureAuth25K.aspx?CELL=SBT&navSource=ValuableOffers&linkTitle=Ptn_Visa_25+5k_UALHP_freetic_Sig_Style2_ SBT_1007

For some of you who would like to go to the Man Cave and improve your health but can't afford a flight, this gets you a step closer.

Bob

[Dr. John Crisler]

That's a great, idea, Bob!

And with the economy as it is, we are not turning people away because they cannt come back to see me once per year (although I vastly prefer it). Not as long as we properly follow labs.

[The Big Sleep]

Could I sign up for this Visa Travel Card, use it to pay the fee to see the doc and then book the free flight? If this works, I think Im set to finally fly to lansing and turn my life around.

[Sade]

Anyone from the UK been treated by Dr Crisler?

I've suffered problems since coming off a 9 month Testosterone Enanthate cycle and am interested.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Anyone from the UK been treated by Dr Crisler?

I've suffered problems since coming off a 9 month Testosterone Enanthate cycle and am interested.I have several patients in the UK.

[JanSz]

I have several patients in the UK.

This are frequent questions, please clarify successful logistics for patients in UK.

Those patients from UK, were they able to find doctor in UK who executes your directions about testing and medicines and writes appropriate scripts,
or
your scripts are honored in UK,
or
all of them have to make trip to USA to get tested and to buy medicine in USA
or
something else.


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[Dr. John Crisler]

This are frequent questions, please clarify successful logistics for patients in UK.

Those patients from UK, were they able to find doctor in UK who executes your directions about testing and medicines and writes appropriate scripts,
or
your scripts are honored in UK,
or
all of them have to make trip to USA to get tested and to buy medicine in USA
or
something else.


///I can't write for labs or scripts in the UK. It's a lot more work for me. But we march on.

[GirlyMan]

I can't write for labs or scripts in the UK. It's a lot more work for me. But we march on.

Gotta do what you gotta do. Looks like it's in your blood.

[diesiel]

are prescriptions only given out in person or can they be mailed to out-of-towners (or in some peoples cases, out-of-countriers)

[Dr. John Crisler]

are prescriptions only given out in person or can they be mailed to out-of-towners (or in some peoples cases, out-of-countriers)We send out scripts every day, all over the country.

[pcgizzmo]

If coming from out of town is it possible to get tests done prior to your visit so results can be discussed face to face and possibly leaving with scripts?

Thanks....

[Dr. John Crisler]

If coming from out of town is it possible to get tests done prior to your visit so results can be discussed face to face and possibly leaving with scripts?

Thanks....
We don't know what labs to order until the full work up.

Physicians need documented reason to order a given lab test.

[BBE]

John, do you work closely, or at all with the other longevity center of west michigan in grand rapids? Or know someone there that would do me right? Rockford is 3 plus hours away for me, but grand rapids is only about 35-40 minutes.

[Dr. John Crisler]

John, do you work closely, or at all with the other longevity center of west michigan in grand rapids? Or know someone there that would do me right? Rockford is 3 plus hours away for me, but grand rapids is only about 35-40 minutes.Rockford is just north of GR, so I don't understand your question.

[BBE]

Rockford is just north of GR, so I don't understand your question.

350 Northland Drive
Rockford, MI 49341

Is that the office you work out of?

[Dr. John Crisler]

350 Northland Drive
Rockford, MI 49341

Is that the office you work out of?
No. My office is in Lansing.

[BBE]

No. My office is in Lansing.

Ok, that's the one that I used mapquest on in lansing and it's 3 plus hours away from me.

However I stumbled upon this website the other night: http://www.mannadoc.com/

And after reading I was under the impression that you worked out of one of those two.

Anyways are you involved with them in any capacity, and would they do me right if I was to be treated by them?

[Dr. John Crisler]

Ok, that's the one that I used mapquest on in lansing and it's 3 plus hours away from me.

However I stumbled upon this website the other night: http://www.mannadoc.com/

And after reading I was under the impression that you worked out of one of those two.

Anyways are you involved with them in any capacity, and would they do me right if I was to be treated by them?Sorry for the confusion. That practice I was not able to reopen. It's an old website.

[may19th2001]

It is too bad that practice is no longer open. It was very promising, it is too bad when clinics like this get shut down.
The one in grand rapids is still open or is it?



Sorry for the confusion. That practice I was not able to reopen. It's an old website.

[Dr. John Crisler]

It is too bad that practice is no longer open. It was very promising, it is too bad when clinics like this get shut down.
The one in grand rapids is still open or is it?To be clear, it was shut down when the previous physician passed away. I tried to reopen it, but the situation was not recoverable.

[skyguy]

Dr. John, you sound awesome! It's great to see that there are some progressive, open minded doctors here in the US. For years, doctors in the US flat out refused to help me. All I heard was, "Learn to live with it." The progressive doctors like you are few and far between.

[Saladin]

"Lean to live with it"

That is a very common thing i heard from doctors. The last one i saw told me that living in an industrial society you will feel tried and unwell, this is normal and should be accepted.

[perkele]

Dr Crisler, thanks for all the info on this forum. It has helped me a lot.

Have you by any chance worked with physicians in any of the scandinavian countries, and if so, will you recommend one for me?

[Dr. John Crisler]

Dr. John, you sound awesome! It's great to see that there are some progressive, open minded doctors here in the US. For years, doctors in the US flat out refused to help me. All I heard was, "Learn to live with it." The progressive doctors like you are few and far between.Thank you very much. But rather than "progressive", I am merely learning how the body works, and serving same.

[JanSz]

Thank you very much. But rather than "progressive", I am merely learning how the body works, and serving same.

They can spoil anything, even good word.


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[WhatTheF]

I have done VOV's from airports, using the cool technology Ryan hooked up.

Just showing off!

...apparently Intuit (Quickbooks company) has a VOV technology:

http://healthcare.intuit.com/portal/virtual-office-visit-hiw.jsp

[Dr. John Crisler]

...apparently Intuit (Quickbooks company) has a VOV technology:

http://healthcare.intuit.com/portal/virtual-office-visit-hiw.jspThank you! I'm kinda proud of myself. Don't know if anyone used that phrase before I did, but I don't think so. That would be kinda nice.

[WerewolfBaby]

I would like to make an appointment to see you early April. What is the number of your office?

I have already had some labs run, have made some changes and supplements, and would like to Run a LAB Order From YOU if possible in March, so we can go over my new labs in person and therefore better adjust and better discuss from there. Is this possible?

I have written you some specifics on facebook, and I just started a thread about Pituitary Growths and Thryoid Nodule, both I suspect I may have that may be the root of many problems. Is there somewhere you refer out to have those things MRI'd? Is it possible to do this the same week I fly into Michigan in April to see you? My Anti Aging clinic will NOT run LH and FSH which I think would be helpful, and will do so through a private lab if need be first.

If you can reply on here or FB or my email DanTheWolfman@hotmail.com I would greatly appreciate it so I can do everything right before hand, get labs done before hand, and schedule MRI if need be the same week so you can help me get straighted out a bit when I come to see you right away. Thank you

[Steelfan]

The best and fastest way to get things rolling is by going to http://www.allthingsmale.com/newpt.html

Best advice is to email them PatientCare@ATMAntiAging.com as opposed to calling. You will get a much faster response. Fill out all of the required paperwork and schedule your consult.

Best of luck.

[manville]

Tried to make an appointment for tomorrow 1/5 since that is the last day I would be in town. Your email address staff member really wasn't very attentive to my only being in town for 5 days. I emailed on Saturday, got a cryptic response on Tuesday suggesting I fill-out website forms, (but did not address my question if you had times open before I left town Friday morning). No reply to my follow up question about a Thursday appointment. Apparently you are too busy for new patients. That was disappointing.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Tried to make an appointment for tomorrow 1/5 since that is the last day I would be in town. Your email address staff member really wasn't very attentive to my only being in town for 5 days. I emailed on Saturday, got a cryptic response on Tuesday suggesting I fill-out website forms, (but did not address my question if you had times open before I left town Friday morning). No reply to my follow up question about a Thursday appointment. Apparently you are too busy for new patients. That was disappointing.You might try a more realistic approach to making an appointment. like how about some advance warning?

Maybe a few calls to various Endocrinologists, and their 3 month wait to get in, will be enlightening to you. LOL

My staff discussed your interaction with them. You made no effort whatsoever to make progress toward an appointment.

We do our best to accommodate everyone, but cannot always do so. No one can. We have, at times, been able to accept new patients virtually instantly.

[Dr. John Crisler]

The best and fastest way to get things rolling is by going to http://www.allthingsmale.com/newpt.html

Best advice is to email them PatientCare@ATMAntiAging.com as opposed to calling. You will get a much faster response. Fill out all of the required paperwork and schedule your consult.

Best of luck.Thank you! We are trying to get everyone to use emails, as they bring about 1/4 the labor drain. Also, Renee is now working from home on off-days, in order to make things even better. Thanks to Ryan for moving those electrons!

[Dr. John Crisler]

We don't put up with that kind of behavior here.

Not in my house.

[Dr. John Crisler]

Tried to make an appointment for tomorrow 1/5 since that is the last day I would be in town. Your email address staff member really wasn't very attentive to my only being in town for 5 days. I emailed on Saturday, got a cryptic response on Tuesday suggesting I fill-out website forms, (but did not address my question if you had times open before I left town Friday morning). No reply to my follow up question about a Thursday appointment. Apparently you are too busy for new patients. That was disappointing.We were closed for the Holiday Monday. When we arrived on Tuesday there were 4 days of communications waiting. We are closed on Wednesdays, as I teach at the medical school then.

As my staff answered your communication, they told you what needed to be done next. You did not complete that necessary step, which would have triggered follow-up (happens all the time). Of note, they also handled communications from about 100 other people (including several instances of 30 minutes just to get a script called in).

This is by far the best staff I have had. I think I'll keep them. LOL

If I doubled my rates, we could increase the staff. In this economy, that would hurt too many people. So a little foresight goes a long way.

Or, as I said, you can call an Endo--and wait three months just to be told you are "fine" at TT 325, HCG is of no use, and estrogen is not important in men. LOL

[Dr. John Crisler]

Of note, after returning to the office this morning, greeted by a barrage of profane-laden threatening emails from this gentleman, I just don't think we would have been a good match.

LOL

[Bill_BOY2005]

Of note, after returning to the office this morning, greeted by a barrage of profane-laden threatening emails from this gentleman, I just don't think we would have been a good match.

LOL Note to self, try not to cuss Dr. Crisler while I am there later today. :biggrin: Its actually odd, I was able to schedule an appointment late last week, last minute, book a flight with airline miles (thanks to your staff for the swift response on available appointment times so I was able to book a cheap miles flight), book a hotel with points, book a car with miles, and still manage all that without cussing your staff or you. See you at 11.

[JanSz]

Of note, after returning to the office this morning, greeted by a barrage of profane-laden threatening emails from this gentleman, I just don't think we would have been a good match.

LOL

It is all about cortisol management, yours and your patients.

Happy New Year.


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