Should I avoid carbs for breakfast?

[legbuh]

Usually after breakfast of cereal or oatmeal I feel a little "lightheaded" for an hour or so after.

This morning I ate 1/2cup oatmeal with a little Brown Sugar and PB. I'm starting to come down from what I call a "sugar high" now.

I don't really notice this as much when I eat eggs and toast.

Is this insulin resistance?

I never drink soda or sugar drinks (maybe OJ or Cranberry juice once in a while). I don't drink coffee.

[JanSz]

Usually after breakfast of cereal or oatmeal I feel a little "lightheaded" for an hour or so after.

This morning I ate 1/2cup oatmeal with a little Brown Sugar and PB. I'm starting to come down from what I call a "sugar high" now.

I don't really notice this as much when I eat eggs and toast.

Is this insulin resistance?

I never drink soda or sugar drinks (maybe OJ or Cranberry juice once in a while). I don't drink coffee.

What is your

Hemoglobin A1c

If you did insulin/glucose challenge test, post results.

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[legbuh]

Thanks, Jansz. I don't have those. I was just curious why I get what feels like a really wicked sugar rush when I don't eat mainly protein in the morning. I honestly don't do labs every day. :)

[JanSz]

Thanks, Jansz. I don't have those. I was just curious why I get what feels like a really wicked sugar rush when I don't eat mainly protein in the morning. I honestly don't do labs every day. :)

But if it really bothers you,
get glucose meter.

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[andy12345]

Is it hypo or hyper?
and is it reactive hypoglycemia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperglycemia#Symptoms
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hypoglycemia/DS00198/DSECTION=symptoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_hypoglycemia#Causes



It has been shown that a high-carbohydrate breakfast has proved useful in differentiating persons with postprandial reactive hypoglycemia (http://www.health.am/db/the-hypoglycemic-states-hypoglycemia/) from normal controlshttp://www.health.am/db/more/postprandial-hypoglycemia-reactive-hypoglycemia/

I also remember when I used to have a healthy breakfast hhhhhhhhhhmmmmm.

2 Toasted bagels with olive oil and a tin of baked beans in tomato sauce.

Then I realised each bagel was about 3.75x 1 slice of bread, so instead of my 4 slices toast it was 7.5 omg................

Times have changed.

[legbuh]

I've always thought I was hypo.. if that means the opposite of diabetic.

I can feel the instant my blood sugar goes too high, or too low. My step dad is diabetic and one time while visiting them I felt my "blood sugar drop" bad.. so I asked if he'd test my BS.. it was in the 90s... to him not low... so go figure.

[josh]

Is it hypo or hyper?
and is it reactive hypoglycemia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperglycemia#Symptoms





Polyphagia - frequent hunger, especially pronounced hunger
Polydipsia - frequent thirst, especially excessive thirst
Polyuria - frequent urination, especially excessive urination
Blurred vision
Fatigue (sleepiness).
Weight loss
Dry or itchy skin


Damn it, that's me to a T. Too bad my HbA1C looks normal.
HbA1c - 5.1% (4.0-6.0)
Fasting Insulin 4.6 (0-17)
Fasting Glucose 5.1 mmol/L (3.6-6.0)

Those results are on a low-lowmedium carb diet with lots of coconut oil and no sugar, flour or processed foods.

Does it look normal? I wonder if my low carb high fat/protein diet makes it look normal, when it normally isn't.


PS, sorry to take over your thread!


Edit: I've found a blood glucose meter that I bought a few years ago, but never used because it didn't come with test strips. I'll buy some tomorrow (they were expensive iirc) and keep track of my glucose. Surely that's got to indicate something.

Cheers.

[JanSz]

Damn it, that's me to a T. Too bad my HbA1C looks normal.
HbA1c - 5.1% (4.0-6.0)
Fasting Insulin 4.6 (0-17)
Fasting Glucose 5.1 mmol/L (3.6-6.0)

Those results are on a low-lowmedium carb diet with lots of coconut oil and no sugar, flour or processed foods.

Does it look normal? I wonder if my low carb high fat/protein diet makes it look normal, when it normally isn't.


PS, sorry to take over your thread!


Edit: I've found a blood glucose meter that I bought a few years ago, but never used because it didn't come with test strips. I'll buy some tomorrow (they were expensive iirc) and keep track of my glucose. Surely that's got to indicate something.

Cheers.

Make a semi-glucose tolerance test.
7 strips required.

Right before first meal in the morning, after at least 9 hours fasiting
Prick once---zero hrs
Pick your usual meal, but the one with highest carbs, eat it
Prick second time---30min
60min
90min
120min
150min
180min

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[krazy]

Home glucose meters are not accurate to diagnose or detect hypoglycemia.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3677983
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11026531

[andy12345]

2 reports - 22 years and 10 years old........

There is a chance that technology has moved on since then.

However, look at the prices of calibrated approved weighing scales, calibrated thermometers, calibrated calibraters and you are looking at much more money, so there is also a good chance that, unless you get a good meter, it may drift over time.

I am only speculating of course. Those in "the know" will er .....know..

[josh]

Thanks JanSz and all. My meter is an Optium Xceed which is supposed to be very accurate, I'm sure they are these days.

I'll run that test tomorrow (plus a few more I'm sure, it looks like you have to buy 100 strips at a time!)

[josh]

Hey JanSz,
how do these look? A few random tests as well as the test you asked for (as close as possible that I could stick to the schedule).

24.1.2010 13:51 - 4.3 mmol/L (Before Macaroni Cheese, rice and corn pasta (not a normal lunch))
24.1.2010 14:57 - 7.3 mmol/L
24.1.2010 15:33 - 6.8 mmol/L


25.1.2010 09:31 - 3.8 mmol/L (Before Breakfast)
25.1.2010 10:51 - 6.0 mmol/L (Half hour after breakfast. Porridge with blueberries, raspberries and raw milk)
25.1.2010 11:31 - 5.1 mmol/L
25.1.2010 12:18 - 5.0 mmol/L
25.1.2010 12:41 - 5.5 mmol/L

25.1.2010 18:03 - 4.6 mmol/L (Just leaving work, before dinner)


27.1.2010 18:14 - 4.2 mmol/L (Before dinner)

[JanSz]

Hey JanSz,
how do these look? A few random tests as well as the test you asked for (as close as possible that I could stick to the schedule).

24.1.2010 13:51 - 4.3 mmol/L (Before Macaroni Cheese, rice and corn pasta (not a normal lunch))
24.1.2010 14:57 - 7.3 mmol/L
24.1.2010 15:33 - 6.8 mmol/L


25.1.2010 09:31 - 3.8 mmol/L (Before Breakfast)
25.1.2010 10:51 - 6.0 mmol/L (Half hour after breakfast. Porridge with blueberries, raspberries and raw milk)
25.1.2010 11:31 - 5.1 mmol/L
25.1.2010 12:18 - 5.0 mmol/L
25.1.2010 12:41 - 5.5 mmol/L

25.1.2010 18:03 - 4.6 mmol/L (Just leaving work, before dinner)


27.1.2010 18:14 - 4.2 mmol/L (Before dinner)

To convert mmol/l of glucose to mg/dl, multiply by 18. To convert mg/dl of glucose to mmol/l, divide by 18 or multiply by 0.055.

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/faq/part1/section-9.html#ixzz0dvbAkhBL

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24.1.2010 13:51 - 4.3 mmol/L* 77.4 mg/dl (Before Macaroni Cheese, rice and corn pasta (not a normal lunch))
24.1.2010 14:57 - 7.3 mmol/L 131.4 mg/dl
24.1.2010 15:33 - 6.8 mmol/L 122.4 mg/dl


25.1.2010 9:31 - 3.8 mmol/L* 68.4 mg/dl (Before Breakfast)
25.1.2010 10:51 - 6 mmol/L* 108 mg/dl (Half hour after breakfast. Porridge with blueberries, raspberries and raw milk)
25.1.2010 11:31 - 5.1 mmol/L 91.8 mg/dl
25.1.2010 12:18 - 5 mmol/L 90 mg/dl
25.1.2010 12:41 - 5.5 mmol/L 99 mg/dl

25.1.2010 18:03 - 4.6 mmol/L* 82.8 mg/dl (Just leaving work, before dinner)


27.1.2010 18:14 - 4.2 mmol/L* 75.6 mg/dl (Before dinner)





mmol/l mg/dl interpretation
------ ----- --------------
2 35 extremely low, danger of unconciousness
3 55 low, marginal insulin reaction
4 75 slightly low, first symptoms of lethargy etc.
5.5 100 mecca
5 - 6 90 - 110 normal preprandial in nondiabetics
8 150 normal postprandial in nondiabetics
10 180 maximum postprandial in nondiabetics
11 200
15 270 a little high to very high depending on patient
16 300
20 360 getting up there
22 400 max mg/dl for some meters and strips
33 600 high danger of severe electrolyte imbalance

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/faq/part1/section-9.html#ixzz0dvbVxPw2

[pmgamer18]

I have low sugar levels when I wake up I feel shaky and would sweat until I ate. I use to eat Oatmeal and or hot cereal until my Dr. told me it's making my Hypoglycemia worse. So now I eat a little before going to bed to hold me over and for Breakfast I eat 2 eggs with 2 slices of diet bread and I have OJ and fruit. This keeps me going for about 4 hrs then I eat lunch.

It was a big problem for me until I found out my cortisol levels are low and I went on Cortef HC meds doing 30 mgs a day this fixed most of the problem. Still if I don't eat eggs I will not last until lunch. I don't eat meat for breakfast can't get it down.

[Bob45]

I have oatmeal and mix cottage cheese and scrambled eggs in. You are eatng carbs and fat mainly when you eat your oatmeal breakfast.

[josh]

Thanks guys.
I'm going to experiment with waking up in middle of night to eat a snack.

[pmgamer18]

Try eating a snack before going to bed string cheese or nuts work good.

Thanks guys.
I'm going to experiment with waking up in middle of night to eat a snack.

[karlgraham]

just some amateur speculations from me.
stay low on the "fast" carbs it "kills the adrenals" at least according to my doc and my own experience. about the glycometer i think it after all not tell everything that you like know in youre case (at least not in mine). it tells your blood sugar levels but it doesn't say what happens to that energy when it leave your bloodstream, does the sugar do what it should where it should? i am sure it is great and important to know your blood sugar level if you are "only" a diabetic but otherwise i think it has limited use. my somewhat similar symptoms got better after quiting my much loved oatmeal porridge breakfast and switched to "slow carbs", high fat and protein breakfast. at the moment baked beans scrambled eggs and some warm vegetables, paprika or tomatoes for an example.