Dr. Crisler, what do you think of Nature-Throid?

[Vic Mackey]

Hello fellas. Things have been going real well lately. I just have a question regarding Nature-Throid (as seen here: http://www.nature-throid.com/default.asp ). Do any of you guys use it? What have been your results?

Dr. Crisler, what do you think of Nature-Throid? I know you prefer using Armour but does Nature-Throid have any effectiveness at all? I am currently taking 1 grain in the morning 30 minutes before breaKfast.

I am only taking 1 grain a day. I'm not sure what the half life is, but would it be better to take 1/2 grain in the morning and 1/2 grain in the evening (12 hours apart) or am I doing just fine taking the whole 1 grain in the morning?

[hardasnails1973]

It did not do crap for me and made me go hypo faster then anything even on 4 grains a day. Humans are not designed to cellulose we are not a freaken cow. Others love it. All people i deal with are on erfa and symptoms are resolving that have been lingering for month or even years. Changed my life around that for sure.

[Shin]

I was on it for awhile last year, but the new doc I had just started at refused to write script for it, so since then I have been taking Thyroid-S, which is a non-prescription from Thailand. I had read it was just as strong or stronger than NT, but even at 4 grains, which I've been at for almost two months, I experience no relief of symptoms, and my numbers could still go down a bit more, so I suspect that it's not working the best for me for whatever reason. I will be discussing the Efra with doc soon, as I've heard people having good results on it, and the price is reasonable. As far as what the doc thinks about it, no idea, but I do know that NT (and its sister WT) is the only thyroid med listed on his prescription list on his site.

[Dr. John Crisler]

I'll have to ask Kim about it. She's the one who tracks these things.

Do to ALL the issues with the natural thyroid products these days, we have settled on compounded pure T4/T3. Not as good as the complete mix of nature, but at least it is reliable. And available.

ANEWrx is making it up for us.

[hardasnails1973]

I'll have to ask Kim about it. She's the one who tracks these things.

Do to ALL the issues with the natural thyroid products these days, we have settled on compounded pure T4/T3. Not as good as the complete mix of nature, but at least it is reliable. And available.

ANEWrx is making it up for us.

FYI
Better notify them not to have cellulose in the binder because we had tons of people drop like rocks my self included. Now they are doing better with erfa.
200 tabs of 1 grain is 40 bucks. After 8 freaken months of thyroid hell I am finally back to some what stability

[JanSz]

I'll have to ask Kim about it. She's the one who tracks these things.

Do to ALL the issues with the natural thyroid products these days, we have settled on compounded pure T4/T3. Not as good as the complete mix of nature, but at least it is reliable. And available.

ANEWrx is making it up for us.

Compounded pure T4/T3

sounds (hopefully) to me as:

Take XX of Synthroid-T4 pills
take YY of Cytomel-T3 pills
breake them to a powder and mix together
put in capsules, ZZ mcg into each capsule

no additional ingredients (binders, fillers, etc) other than capsules.

Wonder/doubt if capsules material makes difference.

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Pls correct me if it is different process, specially if it involves adding additional ingredients that may be considered inert but not being so.
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[Vic Mackey]

I'm not sure what the half life is, but would it be better to take 1/2 grain in the morning (on an empty stomach) and 1/2 grain in the evening (on an empty stomach) (12 hours apart) or am I doing just fine taking the whole 1 grain in the morning (on an empty stomach)?

[andy12345]

HAN1973, about the microcrystalline cellulose.

From what I understand, it caused big problems for the naughty company (can't remember their name - but they stonewalled the issue)

Do you know if the cellulose is locking up the active compound or is the cellulose itself causing you and others' problems and if the cellulose locks up active compounds, and it is in MANY products (my holland and barrett zinc, ssri's to name a few...... then it would cause dosage issues perhaps?

[hardasnails1973]

every thyroid i tried that had that crap in it I crashed on. I was on new armour, nature thriod, t-4, t3, compounded stuff. Erfa was only thing that worked and i take it under the tongue because how fu my digestion is. 80% of symptoms are relieved in 6 weeks. I still go room to go to get into healthy ranges 2 grains erfa and 25 mcgs put me at f3 of 3.1 and total t3 of 109, total t4 of 4.9, rt3 229 i am a super fast converter. When i was at my best was ft3 3.5 total3 161. That is where I was the strongest and leanest that i had been in years..

[andy12345]

OKay, you take it sub lingually. I suppose that bypasses a lot of digestion issues and uncertainties. Is this a potential pathway for other medicines do you think, that contain the cellulose and even I think you mentioned stearates in one of your posts .

[flyfish1000]

HAN, I am on 100mcgs synthroid and 15mcgs Cytomel. I ordered ERFA a week ago and expect it soon. Would 2GR of ERFA be close to this combo. If I have it right 2 GR of ERFA yields 76mcgs T4 and 18 T3?

[crazycrew]

HAN, I am on 100mcgs synthroid and 15mcgs Cytomel. I ordered ERFA a week ago and expect it soon. Would 2GR of ERFA be close to this combo. If I have it right 2 GR of ERFA yields 76mcgs T4 and 18 T3?

In each Erfa 30 mg tablet embossed “ECI 30”, there is 18 mcg. of T4 and 4 mcg. of T3;

In each Erfa 60 mg tablet embossed “ECI 60”, there is 35 mcg. of T4 and 8 mcg. of T3;

In each Erfa 125 mg tablet embossed “ECI 125”, there is 73 mcg. of T4 and 17 mcg. of T3.

[hardasnails1973]

HAN, I am on 100mcgs synthroid and 15mcgs Cytomel. I ordered ERFA a week ago and expect it soon. Would 2GR of ERFA be close to this combo. If I have it right 2 GR of ERFA yields 76mcgs T4 and 18 T3?

100 mcgs = approx 1 grain NT
25 mcgs = 1 grain NT

I would suggest make transition slowly adding in 1 grain of efra reducing the synthyroid keeping t-3 then about another 2-3 weeks when t-4 catches up reduce the 18 mcg then add in 1 grain erfa

[JanSz]

In each Erfa 30 mg tablet embossed “ECI 30”, there is 18 mcg. of T4 and 4 mcg. of T3;

In each Erfa 60 mg tablet embossed “ECI 60”, there is 35 mcg. of T4 and 8 mcg. of T3;

In each Erfa 125 mg tablet embossed “ECI 125”, there is 73 mcg. of T4 and 17 mcg. of T3.

In each Erfa 60 mg tablet embossed “ECI 60”, there is 35 mcg. of T4 and 8 mcg. of T3;

From old label(EXP 06/08)
ArmourThyroid-1Grain(60mcg)=T4-38mcg + 9mcg-T3

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[chilln]

It did not do crap for me and made me go hypo faster then anything even on 4 grains a day. Humans are not designed to cellulose we are not a freaken cow. Others love it. All people i deal with are on erfa and symptoms are resolving that have been lingering for month or even years. Changed my life around that for sure.

For those of us without digestion problems, cellulose makes the active ingredients release more slowly, but not too slowly.

For those of us with cellulose digestion problems, having no cellulose makes for better absorption.

But I do get the point that if you have a thyroid hormone T4 -> T3 conversion problem in the first instance, then the likelihood of digestion issues is greatly increased.

So having cellulose as a filler in a medication supplied to those with thyroid hormone issues is going to cause a noticeable number of problems.

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I know you've shared this before, but thanks HAN for sharing this once more.

I'll keep this in mind as another potential confounding effect, when discussing thyroid hormone supplementation with those with digestion issues.

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[pmgamer18]

I feel it's better to take half your dose in the morning and the other half at dinner. I am on old Armour I have a lot of it and I take 3.5 grains 2 in the morning one at noon and .5 at dinner and I do well on this. When I run out of the old Armour I will be going on Erfa I have heard good things about it and told Hardasnails about trying he was a mess on the other brands. I put my Armour under my tongue.

Hello fellas. Things have been going real well lately. I just have a question regarding Nature-Throid (as seen here: http://www.nature-throid.com/default.asp ). Do any of you guys use it? What have been your results?

Dr. Crisler, what do you think of Nature-Throid? I know you prefer using Armour but does Nature-Throid have any effectiveness at all? I am currently taking 1 grain in the morning 30 minutes before breaKfast.

I am only taking 1 grain a day. I'm not sure what the half life is, but would it be better to take 1/2 grain in the morning and 1/2 grain in the evening (12 hours apart) or am I doing just fine taking the whole 1 grain in the morning?

[JanSz]

It did not do crap for me and made me go hypo faster then anything even on 4 grains a day. Humans are not designed to cellulose we are not a freaken cow. Others love it. All people i deal with are on erfa and symptoms are resolving that have been lingering for month or even years. Changed my life around that for sure.

Humans are not designed to cellulose we are not a freaken cow.

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We should be mindful of that when planning diet.

Eat a cow

not

what cow eats.

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[andy12345]

Manufacturing and uses of microcrystalline cellulose. http://www.nbent.com/details.htm http://www.nbent.com/use.htm I'm really interested in whether or not it can block/reduce absorption of a medication bound to it or if some people just can't digest it whereas others' can. Obviously cows, being ruminants, are able to "process" grass etc. Cows still have massive flatulence from grass though, so even they are not perfect at digesting it or is it just a by-product naturally formed? I found a simple, but interesting article for human consumption :P in an educational sense. http://education.vetmed.vt.edu/curriculum/vm8054/labs/Lab21/LAB21.HTM

[GirlyMan]

Humans are not designed to cellulose we are not a freaken cow.
Whoa, I don't belong in this thread. Carry on.

[JanSz]

Whoa, I don't belong in this thread. Carry on.

You have put HAN's words into my mouth.

Am I designed for that?

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