My updated Lab Test / Symptoms Thread

[diesiel]

Stats:

21 Years old
5'11 170lbs
Good physical shape
Never done any steroids or hormone drugs besides 4 months of finasteride.

I haven't Touched Fin for over 2 years.

Symptoms


NO MORNING ERRECTIONS EVER, I never Wake up with an erection.

no more motivation for the gym

TIRDENESS, not crippling, but energy levels vary at 50-70%


STIFF back especially upon waking up.

Less Ambitious

Hard to workout -- On the next day of a strenuous workout i will feel like shit with bloodshot eyes and tight muscles all over and brainfog. I dont workout anymore, and symptoms definitely feel easier to deal with now that i dont put my body through alot of exercise.....


Reduced urine flow especially during nighttime/morning

Shakiness -- When im in a more unfamiliar area (Bar, lounge, club) after a certain period of time just having fun, i start getting shaky and nervous for no reason.

Joint Pain -- Same as above, but after a certain period of time my joints just start hurting under stressfull enviornments even if i didn't exert them at all. Otherwise i dont have any joint pain.

GYNO. I have (A little)hard tissue behind my nipples, and my nipples are puffy (but NOT sensitive). Tissue isnt huge, but noticeable in certain positions. I had gyno during puberty, but i think it flared up recently.

Lower Libido -- also if i ejaculate more than once in a given day (like say 4 hours apart or something). I feel what i can only describe as pain in the prostate region, very uncomfortable for around 3-5 minutes.

WATERY SPERM

EYE FLOATERS (Recent). Lots and lots of eye floaters



APRIL 09 Blood Tests. TAKEN AT 9:00 AM

Hematology

Hemoglobin 156 (135 - 180)
Hematocrit .457 (.370 - .540)
WBC Count 4.0 (4 - 11)
RBC COUNT 4.75 (4.50 - 6.50)
MCV 96.2 (80 - 97)
MCH 32.9 (27-32)
MCHC 342 (320-360)
RDW 12.7 (11.0 - 14.5)
Platelet Count 158 (150-400)
Neutrophils 1.9 ( 2 - 7.5)

Glucose Fasting 5.3 (3.3 - 6.0)
Creatinine 101 (60 - 127)
eGFR 81

Sodium 137 (135 - 146)
Potassium 4.1 (3.5 - 5.2)
Chloride 103 (95 - 108)
ALK PHOS 55 (30 - 110)
ALT 20 (4 - 43)
Cholesterol 3.98 (Below 4.60)
Triglycerides .41 ( Below 1.71)
HDL 1.26 (>1.29)
LDL 2.53
CHOL/HDL ratio 3.16


RIA

TSH 1.94 (.30 - 4.70)
T4 Free 17.6 (9.1 - 23.8)
CORTISOL AM SERUM 454 (101 - 536)
LH 2.5 (1.1 - 8.8)
FSH 2.5 (1.0 - 13.6)
Testosterone 18.6 (6 - 30) --- about 525 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 43.5 (19 - 94)
Estradiol 86 (0 - 161)
Prolactin 4.9 (2.6 - 13.1)
DHEA-S 9.4 (<11.0)
SHBG 26 (13-71)
DHT 2650 (700-3200)


NOTE: ESTRADIOL TESTS WERENT "ULTRA-SENSENSITIVE", MY LAB DIDNT OFFER THAT TEST.
OCTOBER 2009 TEST RESULTS
http://i34.tinypic.com/wahp4o.jpg

I wanted to spread my 4x cortisol test as evenly as possible, i hope that doesnt change the way my results measure up to the reference ranges. My "noon" was 3:50, lol. I dont know how accurate this ZRT test is though, dr john doesnt li ke it.








JAN 2010 Blood tests Taken at 8:00 AM -- Symptoms mostly the same

Hemoglobin 154 (135 - 180)
Hematocrit .451 (.370 - .540)
WBC Count 4.9 (4 - 11)
RBC COUNT 4.73 (4.50 - 6.50)
MCV 95.4 (80 - 97)
MCH 32.6 (27-32)
MCHC 342 (320-360)
RDW 13.4 (11.0 - 14.5)
Platelet Count 149 (150-400)
Neutrophils 2.4 ( 2 - 7.5)
hs-CRP <.2

Glucose Fasting 5.2 (3.3 - 6.0)
Magnesium .76 (.65 - 1.05)
Creatinine 93 (60 - 127)
eGFR 88


Urate 257 (180 - 450)
Sodium 141 (135 - 146)
Potassium 3.8 (3.5 - 5.2)
Chloride 100 (95 - 108)
Albumin 44.7 (33.0 - 46.0)
Calcium 2.48 (2.15 - 2.60)
Phosphate 1.38 ( .90 - 1.52)
ALT 21 (4 - 43)
Hemoglobic A1C .053 (.040 - .060)

URINE CHEMISTRY
Microalbumin (RUR) 9.0 (Below 15)
Creatinine (RUR) 26.8 (5.0 - 13.0)
Microlab /Creat .3 (below 2)
Cholesterol 5.44 (Below 4.60)
Triglycerides .61 ( Below 1.71)
HDL 1.60 (>1.29)
LDL 3.56
CHOL/HDL ratio 3.40

RIA

TSH 2.13 (.30 - 4.70)
T4 Free 19.2 (9.1 - 23.8)
T3 Free 4.9 (2.5 - 5.7)
Vitamin B12 600 (>131)
Ferritin 184 (27 - 220)
CORTISOL AM SERUM 459 (101 - 536)
LH 2.1 (1.1 - 8.8)
FSH 2.6 (1.0 - 13.6)
Testosterone 21 (6 - 30) --- about 600 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 46.5 (15.6 - 146)
Estradiol 51 (0 - 161)
Progesterone 1 (0 - 4)
Prolactin 5.7 (2.6 - 13.1)
DHEA-S 12.1 (<11.0)

Pending SHBG / BioAvailable Testosterone / Thyroid antibodies

My last doc (anti aging for men) told me that my labs look alright and that if nothing gets better i should make an appt with him in a month and he'll refer me to a naturopath..... I doubt i'll magically recover since i dont even know wtf is wrong and what to do..

Basically nothing changed after 8 months, i hoped it would go away it didn't. This all started after i crashed after workout out hardcore in order to build mass. I have a feeling i had alot of these symptoms YEARS ago, but they were so small that they were just very minor inconveniences. Before i had any major symtpoms i had alot of tense muscles. My masseuse said that i literally couldn't untense them when he kept telling me to do so (in order to do deep tissue massage).

As you can see, most lab tests look okay. I have no idea what's going on, this is a complete mystery to me and its severely affecting my quality of life.

[JanSz]

Sodium 137 (135 - 146)-----ideal=143, some say 137 is bottom range
Potassium 4.1 (3.5 - 5.2)
Sodium 141 (135 - 146)
Potassium 3.8 (3.5 - 5.2)
TSH 2.13 (.30 - 4.70)
T4 Free 19.2 (9.1 - 23.8)---too much, get full panel,
T3 Free 4.9 (2.5 - 5.7)-------too low, get full panel
Testosterone 18.6 (6 - 30) --- about 525 ng/dl------double it, at least
SHBG 26 (13-71)
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[diesiel]

Really jan? 4.9 is too low on that scale? i actually thought it is okay....

My T peak is probably ~600ng/dl. But my free t is too damn low

[JanSz]

Really jan? 4.9 is too low on that scale? i actually thought it is okay....

My T peak is probably ~600ng/dl. But my free t is too damn low

You will get better picture with full panel but that is what I think based on available tests.

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[asdf]

Sodium 137 (135 - 146)-----ideal=143, some say 137 is bottom range
Potassium 4.1 (3.5 - 5.2)
Sodium 141 (135 - 146)
Potassium 3.8 (3.5 - 5.2)
TSH 2.13 (.30 - 4.70)
T4 Free 19.2 (9.1 - 23.8)---too much, get full panel,
T3 Free 4.9 (2.5 - 5.7)-------too low, get full panel
Testosterone 18.6 (6 - 30) --- about 525 ng/dl------double it, at least
SHBG 26 (13-71)
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get Fatty acids

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Diesiel,
Your FT3 and your TT look fine; average to above average. I'd look at your diet and lifestyle first.

[diesiel]

That's where i have a problem. Shouldnt a young person be able to have a shitty lifestyle and still feel fine until they hit their 30's or 40's? this doesnt apply to me because my lifestyle is 'decent' at WORST: Dont drink pop, dont eat fast food or junkfood, dont smoke, rarely drink, and dont do drugs besides the very occasional puff. Have good athletic ability and am smart. Things just arent properly lining up....

[JanSz]

That's where i have a problem. Shouldnt a young person be able to have a shitty lifestyle and still feel fine until they hit their 30's or 40's? this doesnt apply to me because my lifestyle is 'decent' at WORST: Dont drink pop, dont eat fast food or junkfood, dont smoke, rarely drink, and dont do drugs besides the very occasional puff. Have good athletic ability and am smart. Things just arent properly lining up....

Looking at your 4xCortisosl.

You are starting with a half full tank of Cortisol in the morning and for the rest of the day scraping bottom.

Sodium 137 (135 - 146)-----ideal=143, some say 137 is bottom range

Sodium is in the same category, not a full tank, just vapors)

Running on vapors.
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[diesiel]

the symtpoms from my gathering are pointing to Estrogen problems and cortisol problems, possibly liver detoxification issues maybe. I am seeing different doctors with mostly the same result, but i will keep trying because i know it will eventually get better if i dont give up.

[simpllyhuge]

I have similar type prostate symptoms and lack of morning erections.

[chilln]

21 Years old
5'11 170lbs
Good physical shape
Never done any steroids or hormone drugs besides 4 months of finasteride.
I haven't Touched Fin for over 2 years.
NO MORNING ERRECTIONS EVER, I never Wake up with an erection.
no more motivation for the gym
TIRDENESS, not crippling, but energy levels vary at 50-70%
STIFF back especially upon waking up.

Joint Pain -- Same as above, but after a certain period of time my joints just start hurting under stressfull enviornments even if i didn't exert them at all. Otherwise i dont have any joint pain.

GYNO. I have (A little)hard tissue behind my nipples, and my nipples are puffy (but NOT sensitive). Tissue isnt huge, but noticeable in certain positions. I had gyno during puberty, but i think it flared up recently.


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http://i34.tinypic.com/wahp4o.jpg


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Testosterone 18.6 (6 - 30) --- about 525 ng/dl
Free Testosterone 43.5 (19 - 94)


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As you can see, most lab tests look okay. I have no idea what's going on, this is a complete mystery to me and its severely affecting my quality of life.



Say no more. Too low T. Too high E2 (your E2 labs aren't accurate at all). Too low cortisol.


What would you prefer to do about these ? You have many many options, all of which have been discussed here over and over. I suspect you've read many of them.


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EYE FLOATERS (Recent). Lots and lots of eye floaters


Have you been supplementing with any products designed to lower E2 ? If so, I suspect some of them may have been SERMs. SERMs can cause this, as discussed here:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=71374&postcount=7

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[diesiel]

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Say no more. Too low T. Too high E2 (your E2 labs aren't accurate at all). Too low cortisol.


What would you prefer to do about these ? You have many many options, all of which have been discussed here over and over. I suspect you've read many of them.


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Have you been supplementing with any products designed to lower E2 ? If so, I suspect some of them may have been SERMs. SERMs can cause this, as discussed here:

http://musclechatroom.com/forum/showpost.php?p=71374&postcount=7

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Chilln your conclusions were the same as mine. I just want to get to the bottom of this and figure out WHY my labs are like this. Why the hell would my E2 be this high, i just having problems accepting its 'age related' because i had similiar (albeit less serious) symptoms from 18 years old that i can remember, i can see im not hypo gonadal so trt doesn't make sense to me. I want to get better, but at the same time i wan to solve the mystery that is my body so that if i made mistakes in the past, i wont repeat those.... About the floaters, That was my initial suspicion.....research chems never again, it was supposedly liquidex too...i figure they might have messed up and gave me something else.

[diesiel]

I also tried taking isocort, just felt drowsy on it...