How many of you feel better after a workout?

[legbuh]

I know most do, but here's the deal.

I've been feeling somewhat disconnected. Lack of clarity, etc. Almost makes me not want to work out.

But I still do almost every day (either weights or cardio). Once my heart starts pumpin I immediately feel awesome.. for at least 2 hours afterwards too.

I know this is mostly chemicals due to the workout (runner's high) but I want to feel this good all the time? Could it be something in addition to just low test?

Even on 80mg E3D and 500iu HCG the day before the test shot, I still tested in the low 400s (before it was low 300s).

I do feel better than before HRT, but I know there's another level I'd like to be at.

I have never felt a great sense of well being or clarity with either T or HCG. But I am making gains in the gym and my libido is up.

[JanSz]

I know most do, but here's the deal.

I've been feeling somewhat disconnected. Lack of clarity, etc. Almost makes me not want to work out.

But I still do almost every day (either weights or cardio). Once my heart starts pumpin I immediately feel awesome.. for at least 2 hours afterwards too.

I know this is mostly chemicals due to the workout (runner's high) but I want to feel this good all the time? Could it be something in addition to just low test?

Even on 80mg E3D and 500iu HCG the day before the test shot, I still tested in the low 400s (before it was low 300s).

I do feel better than before HRT, but I know there's another level I'd like to be at.

I have never felt a great sense of well being or clarity with either T or HCG. But I am making gains in the gym and my libido is up.

80mg E3D--->93.3mg/week

I guess your testicles are for decoration only.

Try

EOD

Tshot=50mg
HCG-shot=350
both shots one day, next day free

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How's

E2
DHT
hemoglobin
ferritin

.................................................. .........

.

[legbuh]

80mg E3D--->93.3mg/week

I guess your testicles are for decoration only.

Try

EOD

Tshot=50mg
HCG-shot=350
both shots one day, next day free

------------------------

How's

E2
DHT
hemoglobin
ferritin

.................................................. .........

.

How do you come up with that number. It's at least 160mg a week, a little more since the 3rd day overlaps.
M- 80
Th - 80
Su - 80
We - 80

E2 was low 50s in my last bloodwork so I started a little adex.
hc/hg is high (I believe due to smoking, exercise and T)
others dont know.. werent on the tests

[chipdouglas]

You mentioned endorphins (runners's high). This is one aspect. Exercise, at least cardio also boosts catecholamines, I even think it boosts serotonin. There's been a training fatigue theory involving serotonin as the main mechanism. I do not know however whether this has been debunked.

To answer main header query, yes I do feel better after I worked out. I too do both cardio (spinning) and weights.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/72/2/573S

http://www.criticalbench.com/CNS_central_nervous_system_fatigue.htm

There's also GH that gets a boost through lactate :

http://www.springerlink.com/content/w176536555584h31/

http://jnm.snmjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/41/8/1352 there's also striatal release of DA that gets a boost.


I'm sure a lot of other chemical messenger are released that'd have a notable impact on your mood either directly or indirectly.

Exercise clearly is the best anti-depressant around.

[JanSz]

How do you come up with that number. It's at least 160mg a week, a little more since the 3rd day overlaps.
M- 80
Th - 80
Su - 80
We - 80

E2 was low 50s in my last bloodwork so I started a little adex.
hc/hg is high (I believe due to smoking, exercise and T)
others dont know.. werent on the tests

sorry, I have made mistake, divided by 2
it should be:
=80*7/3=186.67mg/week
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So you are doing Testosterone on E3D schedule
I am not sure about HCG schedule.
I think it is also E3D, shots on a day before shot.
=500*7/3=1167iu/week

The "normal" 250iu on EOD schedule =250*7/2=875iu

Since your E2 is high it may be a good idea to lower HCG dose.
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What is your SHBG level?

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You must be super heavy duty hypermetabolizer.
187mg/week testosterone gives you only TT=400.
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You will have to distribute your current dose into daily shots.

After you post your SHBG, I will figure what TT you should aim for.

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How high is your Hemoglobin, ideal=16, do not go over 17

Are you over the range? ------->plebotomy

Spreading your current Test dose will hopefully do the trick, give you better TT, FreeT & Hg.

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[legbuh]

Even if I was a super high metabolizer, wouldn't days of shots make me feel somewhat better?

Before HRT my HG was 17. Now its 20. I give blood and have been cutting back smoking and upping cardio. As far as RBC, that's probably an even give and take.. lol...

I cut myself shaving today and bled for 20 minutes. :) (A joke, but I don't think my high HG/HC is bad.. blood dopers are much higher and I bet 99% of BBers are too).

[dutter]

i usually have a calm feeling after a workout. i mostly do weight training.

[Massa]

Even if I was a super high metabolizer, wouldn't days of shots make me feel somewhat better?

Before HRT my HG was 17. Now its 20. I give blood and have been cutting back smoking and upping cardio. As far as RBC, that's probably an even give and take.. lol...

I cut myself shaving today and bled for 20 minutes. :) (A joke, but I don't think my high HG/HC is bad.. blood dopers are much higher and I bet 99% of BBers are too).
sounds familiar (although I'm not on HRT) - working out is the one thing that gets me going, at least for the workout and 1-2 hours post.

[pmgamer18]

Don't lower your dose to control E2 levels all this will do is low your T levels even more. I am like you and to get levels up I do 80 mgs. every 3 days and shoot 400 IU's of HCG the 2 days each in between my T shots. This keeps me at about 850 for Total T but I do Arimidex to keep my E2 levels down when my levels go up my T levels fall. It's better to keep your Total levels up and take Arimidex to keep E2 down.

I lowered my HCG shots to 250 IU's and my levels fell 300 points so for me lower my dose to control E2 is Bull Shi*.

I get guys posting to me that some Dr. lowered the dose of T to control there E2 levels and they crashed. I just don't know why people keep telling men to do this. Every one on TRT at some time is going to have to address E2 levels and lowering our HCG or T shots to do this is nuts with levels as low as yours.

Get your E2 down take .5 mgs every other day until you E2 is down you will know it down when your get some dam strong night time and morning wood the kind that wakes you up and you could hang a coat on it.

Keep taking this dose but if wood stops your going to low just stop your Arimidex until it comes back. That do go back on it but do less. Wash and repeat.

Even if I was a super high metabolizer, wouldn't days of shots make me feel somewhat better?

Before HRT my HG was 17. Now its 20. I give blood and have been cutting back smoking and upping cardio. As far as RBC, that's probably an even give and take.. lol...

I cut myself shaving today and bled for 20 minutes. :) (A joke, but I don't think my high HG/HC is bad.. blood dopers are much higher and I bet 99% of BBers are too).